Danielle Burnett | Enneagram– Using the Enneagram Assessment to increase connection and understanding

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Hey, everybody got an amazing show today.

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A great guest.

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You don't wanna miss it.

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I've been talking to this person for quite some time to try to get her on this

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show, and I've finally been successful.

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Hang tight.

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You don't wanna miss this episode of the last 10% sent.

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Inspire you this.

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Welcome welcome, welcome.

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I am Dallas Burnett in Thrive Studios, sitting in my 1905 Koch Brothers Barber

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chair, and more importantly, have a very, very special guest today, entrepreneur,

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Enneagram, coach extraordinaire, marriage and family therapist.

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Mom.

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And my wife, Danielle Burnett.

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Welcome, Welcome.

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You have been trying to talk me into this for quite some time.

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I love

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that you opened with that . Yes.

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So, we are.

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A few episodes in to the last 10%.

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And one of the things that we are all about in Think, Move, Thrive

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in the last 10% is assessments and setting that baseline again set up.

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So you have over the last few years, been on a journey and really

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discovered how much you enjoy and love coaching the Enneagram.

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And so we want to just have you tell everybody a little bit about it.

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. But before we go into that, okay, why don't you just tell everybody,

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give 'em some background on who Danielle is and tell 'em your.

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Alrighty.

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Well, I'm Danielle and I've been married to this wonderful guy for

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almost 20 years, , which is great.

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I think it's great that I had a Masters in Marriage therapy,

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, Dallas Burnett: and we didn't

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That wasn't in the show, that's not in the notes

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. Danielle Burnett: But through,

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Converse and graduated in undergrad.

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Actually, my parents have a wonderful business.

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And so to saw them through the lens of small business, in family business

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doing hair and all comes back to my granddaddy, who's 92, he's still

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cutting hair and inspirational.

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And so what I of thought about what do I wanna do with my life and what

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gifts do I have and what can I offer?

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I started doing hair.

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You know, After graduating college, that's what I knew and I loved it.

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And then several years after doing that I segued into, which

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is a big jump, but I segued into a career in pharmaceutical sales.

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And I loved it.

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I loved talking to people, I loved selling great products.

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I loved all the things that the industry had to offer.

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I love meeting the receptionists and nurses and doctors and all of that.

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So I've just always been a people person.

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Love talking with people and.

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Even in undergrad, I don't know, probably start starting maybe middle school.

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I was that person that other people would find and they would just

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spill everything to me and they would just, I don't know, they would

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just, Tell me all their life story.

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And I know you've always laughed about that Dallas, because you're

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like, That never happens suit.

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Listen, listen, that doesn't happen.

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They'll stop you in a grocery store at a gas.

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It doesn't matter.

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And yeah, no, I've witnessed that for what

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is ironic about it is that you're interviewing all these

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people on here and then you are, you inadvertently, you're getting their life

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story

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It's a, It's a role reversal, right?

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So all that being said, I knew that I wanted to do my master's in

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counseling, even though I did hair and.

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Went to pharmaceutical sales.

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I knew that was something I loved and wanted to do.

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So I wound up getting my master's in Marriage and family Therapy, did

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all the hours for that, loved that, graduated, but I couldn't give my fir

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my career in pharmaceutical sales up.

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So I went back to that and through, that time and now I have Airbnb that

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we, manage and love that, love hosting.

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But in the past few years, I've just come back to my love for counseling,

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my love for people, just helping people work through problems.

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I've served on church staff before and done that, and of course I

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use those skills all the time.

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But that kind of brings me to the Enneagram.

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So I got certified as an engram coach and an as an engram consultant.

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And it took me a while to understand what in the world is the

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Enneagram and how is it different from other, personality tests.

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And so I really love it.

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I really have grown to love it.

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And the more I get to know about it, it's a deep well and I just

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learn so much more about myself.

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and other people and . So with ThinkMoveThrive we've been able

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to do some workshops and it's just been a really great experience.

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Yeah.

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And I've enjoyed it.

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Yeah.

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So let's jot back cuz you said a lot there.

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Number one, you talked about your grandfather.

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So I gotta give a little shout out.

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The first time I met your grandfather, who is 92 and still

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cuts hair in his barbershop salon.

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right now at 92, which is incredible in itself.

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But the first time I met him and all you guys out there that have short

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hair you know what it is to go in and just say, I want a number two.

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Usually a barber will get out a guard and put it on his,.

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Barber shears whatever they call, I don't even know what they

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call 'em, Danielle, but Shears.

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Shears, I got it.

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I got, it's 20 years and I finally got the lingo

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But then he goes and free hands, the whole thing had a number two.

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He free hands it with a with an open blade and a comb and it is perfect.

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And he doesn't like six minutes flat.

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And so yeah.

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Who pass?

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That's the first time I ever.

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Scared to death.

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And he sits me down in the chair and six minutes later I was like, I'm bald.

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I know I'm bald.

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I got up.

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It was perfect . He had no guard.

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It was perfect.

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It was unbelievable.

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It was unbelievable.

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And he's been cutting hair for over 70 years and yeah.

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An amazing testament.

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Maybe we'll get him on the last 10% to talk about really.

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It

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it

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does talk about, it speaks to finishing strong.

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Yeah.

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And

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That.

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That's just amazing.

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Yeah, it's amazing, man.

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He's still cutting everything and loves it too and loves it, so big shout to him.

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The other thing is, I think too, you had that love for counseling and I think

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it's interesting because just, from my perspective watching you, you got

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outta the masters, you did go back to pharmaceuticals, but there was so many

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tools that you took and I think this is something that the listeners, Should

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always remember as we were talking about last 10%, you can pick things up no

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matter where you are in your career or where you are in your journey, you're

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gonna pick things up and put 'em in a tool belt that you can always use later.

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And I saw that with you coming through the Masters , Yes.

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You were trained as a.

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Clinical marriage and family therapist, a very, structured, master's degree, but in

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that degree you were given so many tools.

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That I saw you use in all these other areas of your life.

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I don't think you necessarily gave it up.

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You gave up, You just didn't go into it professionally at that time, Full time.

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, you would, but you would be operating in that capacity in pharmaceuticals with

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your team members and with the manager.

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And it was just amazing to see how you were using some of those

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tools and you were asked to coach these other team members.

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Yeah.

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As a part of that.

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And it's your growth and path.

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You get out and have served in different ministry street

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roles and things like that.

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So it's just interesting because now you've moved and transitioned into

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this Enneagram, consultant and, it's reemerged again in a different way.

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But I, see that as, if you're listen out there and you're in something and

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you go and, especially if you're coming outta school and you're discouraged

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cause you're not doing exactly what you're trained do in school.

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Men, just take what you can out of it and don't lose everything

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because there's a lot of tools that you can get along the way.

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Thank you Dallas.

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Yeah.

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And I would say, and you've been a big part of encouraging

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me through all of that.

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You don't have to come out and do exactly what you learned and that you thought at

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one time it would look like, because my love and gifting, doesn't have to look

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the same way in each year of my life.

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So that's neat.

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So let's talk about the Enneagram.

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I want to get into it, I want to, I wanna unpack this because

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some people are Enneagram crazy.

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They just love it.

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They eat it up.

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It's like an ice cream sundae.

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Other people are like, What is that?

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So there's this broad spectrum out there of people that know what

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Enneagram assessment is and don't know.

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Can you tell us a little bit about what the Enneagram is, where

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it came from and what you like?

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Yeah, I sure can.

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And Just as a kind of surface, high level in the 1960s and seventies,

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a guy from Bolivia packaged the Enneagram to what it looks like today.

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There's a lot of different variations to the Enneagram that you'll find out there

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cuz you, So you can go online and you can look up Enneagram and there's a lot of

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different places that you can find it.

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And there might be a few differences here and there, but

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essentially there are nine types.

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So nine personalities.

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And we have our own words we use at Think, move, Thrive to describe them.

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And in fact, else we have to talk about Mr.

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Any ? I just feel like having a little bit of a lighthearted approach to looking

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at his cute little self around the Enneagram circle, and he portrays each

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number and what that personality kind of

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embodies.

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Yes, I really love him.

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And let's talk about that for a second, cuz think moves thrive.

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We've got the website up with the assessment on it, with the Enneagram,

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and of course we do a podcast the week that we take everything down except for

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the link because we're rebuilding the entire page for Enneagram assessment.

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So of course we do the Enneagram assessment podcast on the exact, on

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the week that we take everything down.

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The good news is for all our listeners, we'll get it ready like in a week or two,

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whenever our wonderful designers are back and they launch the new page on the site.

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You'll see the any that we're talking about all over the new page.

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Now, if I'm on any.

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, Does that mean that I'm pretty locked in?

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So if I'm a type, four or type seven or type nine, what does that mean?

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Is that

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Yeah, how locked are you ? into it?

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And I would say, The biggest takeaway from doing the Enneagram, even taking

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an assessment for the Enneagram is that it really starts with self-discovery.

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And you and I've talked a lot about that.

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It starts with self-awareness.

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Go read the book.

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Go read all nine types, read all the descriptions.

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And see which.

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You resonate with or what resonates with you.

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And so I think what's most important is to not let somebody

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tell you, Hey, you're a type three.

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Oh yeah.

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I think it's important for you to discover that.

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And in our workshops that we do, we have an idea of connecting the dots and.

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We use that as an acronym.

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The first thing is to discover, and for me, even as I got certified

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in the Enneagram, it has taken me.

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A year and a half I've been wrestling with some of the ideas about my own

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person, like my self-awareness, and I'm still learning because it's just

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a process to learn about yourself.

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So all that being said, I don't wanna lock anybody in to any

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number, but I do think when.

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When a person discovers these types, they will very clearly see themselves.

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And what they'll see is that one dominant type will emerge.

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So let's just say the top, the dominant type of three will

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emerge for a person, right?

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So if you look around the circle of the Enneagram, like I said, it's nine types

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and they're all in a circular pattern.

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So it's 1, 2, 3, Let's go over to three.

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The types on either side of that three we call those in the

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Ingram world, the wings of that

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dominant type, so the adjacent numbers, so two and four

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are the w are the wings of three?

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Is that what you're

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saying?

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. So you could be, have a wing, so that could be your wing type.

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Back to your thought about being locked in, I don't know that, I don't know

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that anybody's locked in the Enneagram because like for instance, I'm a.

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With a wing of two, but I don't know, sometimes my two's really

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strong and I almost think I'm a two with a wing of a three.

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So hopefully as a listener is listening to me, they can gain some understanding

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of whatever your dominant type is, that type that you of lean to maybe 20%

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of the time or maybe 50% of the time.

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You need to also discover that personality type

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a great process.

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I can see, I kinda see it almost like a color wheel.

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It's almost like a hue, like , there's transition

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between yellow, orange, and red.

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So I see what you're saying because there's a little bit of red in the

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orange and there's a little bit of yellow in the orange and you're just

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kind of somewhere, unless you're really strong personality type.

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But I also think that it's really interesting cuz I do think you can take

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in a take, read a book on Engram or you can take a quick assessment if you don't

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like to unpack a long, 150 page book on.

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Yeah.

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This is a very, It's a quick term, great way to do it.

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The other thing is though, I think that one of the things that, and I'll throw

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a curve ball here to the listeners.

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One of the things that when you talk about self-awareness, We always

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talk about it, ThinkMoveThrive.

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And one of the things that we are trying to increase with all the things that

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we do in the conversational leadership, whether it's the app or the journals or

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anything, is that self-awareness piece.

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We think it is a foundational, cornerstone of leadership.

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And what I've realized is that I'm a number, and we'll get into

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that in a little bit, but I'm not the same number in a stressful

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environment or if I'm under stress.

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That's right.

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So if you're going to the office every day, In a really toxic environment,

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your team members may experience you in a completely different way.

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And they go, Oh, he's, he or she is definitely this

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number this personality type.

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And then you're not, and they're surprised what?

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And because you're under stress, or you feel threatened.

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I'll speak to that a little bit.

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So for those of you who don't know anything about the Enneagram, I'll give

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a little surface little explanation.

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Basically what you're talking about Dallas, is what the

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Enneagram would call an arrow.

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And it's it sounds crazy with the wings in the arrows, but if you'll follow me.

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So if I go back to that three example, or actually let's take you for

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an example.

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Now it's getting real.

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It's getting real , it's getting real.

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I, we've taken the test, we've written, we've read books.

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We've had this process of self-discovery and all this.

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So I think it's more confident to say that you are a seven

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personality on the Enneagram.

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Do maybe with a wing of eight.

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You heard it here first.

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Everybody in the last 10%.

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I am a seven.

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Yeah.

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And so sometimes that, that personality is called the adventurer.

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They are called the generalist because they're great at a lot of things.

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And the enthusiast, you can hear that and I can hear that just your life,

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like you always are enthusiastic.

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A seven is somebody who can.

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Tell stories at the dinner table and it has everybody laughing until they cry.

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And I'm gonna tell you right now, that is true of Dallas.

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We do like having fun people.

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We like having fun the last 10% for sure.

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You got it.

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All right.

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But let's talk about the arrows.

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Yeah.

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Let's talk about the arrows now.

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What happens?

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What happens when I get stressed.

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Now you gonna tell stories on me on this?

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Remember we're on the air

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I won't get too crazy.

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Yeah.

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But so that, this is one of the things that I love about the Enneagram,

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and I think it's what separates it from other personalities tests out

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there and assessments out there.

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So the engram, and I'll just say this and then I'll go and talk about the arrows.

Danielle Burnett: 00:15:02

The Enneagram shows a person when they're healthy, it tells you a lot

Danielle Burnett: 00:15:06

about how they look when they're healthy.

Danielle Burnett: 00:15:08

It tells a lot about a person when they're un.

Danielle Burnett: 00:15:11

So a seven in health and in unhealth, right?

Danielle Burnett: 00:15:14

. So just gaining aware of this, of them.

Danielle Burnett: 00:15:16

You can even ask the question like, Is this true of me?

Danielle Burnett: 00:15:19

And then discover that, and I have found.

Danielle Burnett: 00:15:22

for me and other friends and, relationships that it is true.

Danielle Burnett: 00:15:25

So back to the seven.

Danielle Burnett: 00:15:26

So sevens, when they are in a period of stress, will move to across a

Danielle Burnett: 00:15:33

type across the Enneagram diagram, and in this case, for a seven,

Danielle Burnett: 00:15:37

they'll move to the number one.

Danielle Burnett: 00:15:38

And so the number one, we call that person a reformer an improver.

Danielle Burnett: 00:15:43

Sometimes people call 'em, call them a perfectionist.

Danielle Burnett: 00:15:45

I don't love that term because it can be construed as, I

Danielle Burnett: 00:15:48

think every type is positive.

Danielle Burnett: 00:15:50

I think every type is awesome and has strengths and can be a leader at that.

Danielle Burnett: 00:15:53

So all that being said, when you're in a stressful place and you move

Danielle Burnett: 00:15:57

to that arrow of stress, you take on the negative qualities of that type.

Danielle Burnett: 00:16:03

So in this example of a seven they're very spontaneous.

Danielle Burnett: 00:16:05

They're very fun loving.

Danielle Burnett: 00:16:07

They're, laughing and in their spontaneity they have a lot of,

Danielle Burnett: 00:16:11

balls that they're juggling and when they feel stress, it's interesting.

Danielle Burnett: 00:16:16

You and I have laughed about this so much.

Danielle Burnett: 00:16:18

You'll see that they start controlling things more in their own life.

Danielle Burnett: 00:16:22

They might go clean out their closet.

Danielle Burnett: 00:16:24

Yeah.

Danielle Burnett: 00:16:24

For instance, they might go and clean up their office.

Danielle Burnett: 00:16:27

Yes.

Danielle Burnett: 00:16:28

Because everything else seems.

Danielle Burnett: 00:16:30

It's gotten a little bit too far away from little bit, a little bit too crazy.

Danielle Burnett: 00:16:33

Little too, yeah.

Danielle Burnett: 00:16:34

Little

Dallas Burnett: 00:16:34

bit too crazy.

Dallas Burnett: 00:16:35

Yeah.

Dallas Burnett: 00:16:35

Yeah.

Dallas Burnett: 00:16:35

You see me cleaning my closet, you see me straightening up

Dallas Burnett: 00:16:38

my desk and it is game long.

Dallas Burnett: 00:16:40

We are in, we're not in a good space.

Dallas Burnett: 00:16:42

That's interesting.

Dallas Burnett: 00:16:43

what I like about what you're saying is, and this is what I

Dallas Burnett: 00:16:46

feel like with the Enneagrams, one of the reasons that we started.

Dallas Burnett: 00:16:50

Offering this first.

Dallas Burnett: 00:16:51

There's a lot of different assessments out there.

Dallas Burnett: 00:16:53

There's a lot of great assessments out there.

Dallas Burnett: 00:16:55

We think you should take 'em all.

Dallas Burnett: 00:16:57

I have.

Dallas Burnett: 00:16:57

I've taken, Yes.

Dallas Burnett: 00:16:58

I can't tell you how many assessments I've taken, but

Dallas Burnett: 00:17:00

there's a lot of them that we love.

Dallas Burnett: 00:17:01

Yeah, we love a lot of assessments, but the reason that we chose this one in

Dallas Burnett: 00:17:04

particular to start with by offering it on Think me thrive.com is because in my

Dallas Burnett: 00:17:10

opinion, it gives, it really gets to the.

Dallas Burnett: 00:17:13

The drivers, those things that are under the surface, there's a lot of assessments

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that will take external factors.

Dallas Burnett: 00:17:19

You're extroverted or you're introverted.

Dallas Burnett: 00:17:21

Yeah.

Dallas Burnett: 00:17:21

Or you're dominant in the room or you're, you're a thinker.

Dallas Burnett: 00:17:24

Whatever it takes the kind of what's what everybody perceives

Dallas Burnett: 00:17:28

on the outside and this.

Dallas Burnett: 00:17:30

It just Enneagram, It's almost like it backs up and jumps down and just goes

Dallas Burnett: 00:17:34

into the gut, just like what comes out.

Dallas Burnett: 00:17:36

It does in that driver that core what are you afraid of?

Dallas Burnett: 00:17:39

What are you, Yeah.

Dallas Burnett: 00:17:40

When you get stressed what do you do?

Dallas Burnett: 00:17:41

And you got these nine different types that tend to emerge.

Dallas Burnett: 00:17:45

And it's, to me, it's fascinating as well.

Dallas Burnett: 00:17:47

And it is very interesting how.

Dallas Burnett: 00:17:50

it captured my personality in that way.

Danielle Burnett: 00:17:52

Yeah.

Danielle Burnett: 00:17:53

I love it.

Danielle Burnett: 00:17:53

And if you think of each type, you can think of, how is that

Danielle Burnett: 00:17:58

person wanting to achieve purpose?

Danielle Burnett: 00:18:02

And what motivates them to.

Danielle Burnett: 00:18:05

Have that, have purpose in their life, have joy, have happiness in their

Danielle Burnett: 00:18:09

life have fulfillment in their life.

Danielle Burnett: 00:18:11

And so just for instance a number three personality would be an achiever.

Danielle Burnett: 00:18:16

And there's other words that we use to describe that personality, but they feel

Danielle Burnett: 00:18:20

really great when they've met a goal.

Danielle Burnett: 00:18:22

And yes.

Danielle Burnett: 00:18:24

To attain that feeling of great purpose.

Dallas Burnett: 00:18:26

Now.

Dallas Burnett: 00:18:26

That's really good and I think that the way you sum that up and

Dallas Burnett: 00:18:29

said that it's the way you want to at you try to attain a purpose or

Dallas Burnett: 00:18:33

you go after what's driving you.

Dallas Burnett: 00:18:35

Yeah.

Dallas Burnett: 00:18:35

I think that's interest.

Dallas Burnett: 00:18:37

Way to put it.

Dallas Burnett: 00:18:38

I agree with that.

Dallas Burnett: 00:18:38

And yeah.

Dallas Burnett: 00:18:39

So tell us a little bit about, so we wanna talk about, as it relates to

Dallas Burnett: 00:18:42

the individual, we've talked about self-awareness and, all the different nine

Dallas Burnett: 00:18:47

types and we can offer, you can, Oh by the way, you can go to ThinkMoveThrive.com

Dallas Burnett: 00:18:52

and go to the as assessments page.

Dallas Burnett: 00:18:53

You can take this, we have the assessment up for free.

Dallas Burnett: 00:18:55

You can take the assessment for free if you want to.

Dallas Burnett: 00:18:58

And Yep.

Dallas Burnett: 00:18:59

We also will have the.

Dallas Burnett: 00:19:01

Next week or two have the whole page that has all the nine types.

Dallas Burnett: 00:19:04

Even if you don't even take the assessment, you'll be able to see

Dallas Burnett: 00:19:06

the little inns with the nine types, but you can see that for free.

Dallas Burnett: 00:19:10

And so for someone who is just wanted to maybe experiment and try it out

Dallas Burnett: 00:19:13

the first time, that's a good step.

Dallas Burnett: 00:19:14

If you're you do that and you're like, Man, I'm hungry for this and want

Dallas Burnett: 00:19:17

more, then you can get the full report.

Dallas Burnett: 00:19:19

But I would say for the.

Dallas Burnett: 00:19:21

That's, that maybe isn't a place where they just either one or two things.

Dallas Burnett: 00:19:25

Either they're on the line, they just don't know how to pick apart the

Dallas Burnett: 00:19:28

different types of maybe where they are sitting or they're getting somebody

Dallas Burnett: 00:19:30

that's telling them some other feedback.

Dallas Burnett: 00:19:32

I think that's where the coach really comes in and asks some really great

Dallas Burnett: 00:19:36

questions and people get value from that.

Dallas Burnett: 00:19:38

The other place that I think a coach, an Enneagram coach is very successful

Dallas Burnett: 00:19:42

and adds a tremendous amount of value.

Dallas Burnett: 00:19:44

Especially what you're doing with the different organizations

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that you've gone into.

Dallas Burnett: 00:19:47

Is in the, is in as it relates to teams.

Dallas Burnett: 00:19:50

And that's one of the things we even included in the assessment which you

Dallas Burnett: 00:19:52

wrote, which I'm, is awesome, that I thought made it very unique is more it

Dallas Burnett: 00:19:57

had more of a bent on what does this, because we've talked about what does

Dallas Burnett: 00:20:00

it, what does your personality mean to you, but then that, how does that.

Dallas Burnett: 00:20:04

Play out when you're in the, when you're bringing the, these strengths and

Dallas Burnett: 00:20:08

weaknesses to a team, So , when you go in and do these workshops tell us a little

Dallas Burnett: 00:20:12

bit about the workshops that you do and some experiences you've had in those.

Dallas Burnett: 00:20:16

. Danielle Burnett: Yeah.

Dallas Burnett: 00:20:16

I'll talk a lot about the workshops in a second, but one thing that just of sprang

Dallas Burnett: 00:20:19

to my mind when you were just saying that about the portion that we have included

Dallas Burnett: 00:20:24

in that long report on teams, A big portion of what I've written on there is

Dallas Burnett: 00:20:29

what the Enneagram would call a triad.

Dallas Burnett: 00:20:31

Okay, so now we've introduced another word.

Dallas Burnett: 00:20:32

So we have the wings, the arrows.

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Now we have a triad.

Dallas Burnett: 00:20:34

This

Dallas Burnett: 00:20:34

is like college level education here.

Dallas Burnett: 00:20:37

I don't know about all this wings.

Dallas Burnett: 00:20:38

What

Danielle Burnett: 00:20:38

I, Yeah, love what I love about this, so hang with me.

Danielle Burnett: 00:20:41

What I love about it is it breaks down how people make decisions.

Danielle Burnett: 00:20:44

And I see.

Danielle Burnett: 00:20:45

I think that is truly helpful when you are on a team with somebody else who

Danielle Burnett: 00:20:49

makes decisions differently than you do.

Danielle Burnett: 00:20:52

Yes.

Danielle Burnett: 00:20:52

Yes.

Danielle Burnett: 00:20:52

You can understand them instead of being annoyed by them.

Danielle Burnett: 00:20:55

Yes.

Danielle Burnett: 00:20:55

Or being frustrated by Yes.

Danielle Burnett: 00:20:56

And so in a lot of the workshops that we've done that I don't know that's

Danielle Burnett: 00:21:01

the greatest takeaway, but it is a great takeaway for us to go through

Danielle Burnett: 00:21:05

each type and say Do you have anybody on your team that is this type?

Danielle Burnett: 00:21:09

Okay, When they're in stress, what are they like?

Danielle Burnett: 00:21:12

But then thinking about , how they process information, how do they make decisions?

Danielle Burnett: 00:21:16

And so I'll just take a second to also talk about that.

Danielle Burnett: 00:21:18

So in the Enneagram, if you break up the nine numbers into buckets of three, some

Danielle Burnett: 00:21:23

people call those processing centers.

Danielle Burnett: 00:21:25

And so really it is how you process information and.

Danielle Burnett: 00:21:29

You could easily just think of it.

Danielle Burnett: 00:21:31

One group processes from their heart, one group processes from

Danielle Burnett: 00:21:36

their mind, their thought, their thinking, like deep thinking.

Danielle Burnett: 00:21:38

And then one, processes information instinctually.

Danielle Burnett: 00:21:41

So from the gut, you could even say, yeah, so gut, head and

Danielle Burnett: 00:21:44

heart, you could dumb it down to.

Danielle Burnett: 00:21:46

And so I'll tell quickly what those numbers are and they're

Danielle Burnett: 00:21:49

on our website as well.

Danielle Burnett: 00:21:51

But the eight, the nine, and the one types often.

Danielle Burnett: 00:21:55

They are, and you can see it very clearly quite often, that they'll

Danielle Burnett: 00:22:00

make gut level dec decisions.

Danielle Burnett: 00:22:03

They do not take a long time to come up with the march

Dallas Burnett: 00:22:06

in order.

Dallas Burnett: 00:22:06

Just intuitive.

Dallas Burnett: 00:22:07

They know.

Dallas Burnett: 00:22:07

It's it's just, they know.

Dallas Burnett: 00:22:09

It's just like instinct almost.

Dallas Burnett: 00:22:10

Just But this is what it is.

Danielle Burnett: 00:22:12

Yes.

Danielle Burnett: 00:22:13

And so then I'll talk about the other two types and then I think that it's

Danielle Burnett: 00:22:16

really helpful to say and understand why.

Danielle Burnett: 00:22:20

each one would maybe negatively rub on each other.

Danielle Burnett: 00:22:22

So if they're in a meeting, they can leave frustrated and that

Danielle Burnett: 00:22:25

doesn't really move teamwork forward and the goals of the company.

Danielle Burnett: 00:22:29

So that's why I think this is so helpful to grasp hold of this.

Danielle Burnett: 00:22:32

So the two, three, and four types Okay.

Danielle Burnett: 00:22:35

Are the heart types.

Danielle Burnett: 00:22:36

So they really, and I fall right into this and you know this, Yes.

Danielle Burnett: 00:22:40

They fall right into that category of literally being very empathetic

Danielle Burnett: 00:22:44

and thinking, with their heart, I guess that's what I'm trying to say,

Danielle Burnett: 00:22:47

is that they're feelers, they just, they process all that information.

Danielle Burnett: 00:22:50

So for instance, if you have a hiring decision to make, that

Danielle Burnett: 00:22:54

number two type is a connector.

Danielle Burnett: 00:22:56

And they are just so emotionally intuitive, but

Danielle Burnett: 00:23:00

they're feeling every decision.

Danielle Burnett: 00:23:02

So if you came to them and said, Hey, should we welcome this

Danielle Burnett: 00:23:05

purpose that on our team, these are the strengths that they bring.

Danielle Burnett: 00:23:08

They're gonna feel through it because they're gonna be like, Ooh, how is

Danielle Burnett: 00:23:11

that person gonna affect this person?

Danielle Burnett: 00:23:12

How is that person gonna affect this goal?

Danielle Burnett: 00:23:14

And they're gonna really take a little bit of time so they're not a gut person.

Danielle Burnett: 00:23:18

They're gonna take some more time to, to process through that.

Danielle Burnett: 00:23:21

Very

Dallas Burnett: 00:23:21

empathetic, they're gonna have mtu of, you're bringing on somebody.

Dallas Burnett: 00:23:23

They're gonna think how would this person feel about us bringing that person on?

Dallas Burnett: 00:23:27

How would this person feel?

Dallas Burnett: 00:23:28

That's right.

Dallas Burnett: 00:23:28

How would that person feel on their first.

Dallas Burnett: 00:23:30

And then What's The last three?

Danielle Burnett: 00:23:32

The last three are the five, the six, and the seven.

Danielle Burnett: 00:23:35

And they are ones that really take a little bit more

Danielle Burnett: 00:23:39

time to think about things.

Danielle Burnett: 00:23:41

They love to ask questions, they love to ponder things.

Danielle Burnett: 00:23:45

They may wanna talk it out even.

Danielle Burnett: 00:23:47

With other people, but they really want to think about like past experiences

Danielle Burnett: 00:23:52

and build their decision around maybe even some data, particularly the

Danielle Burnett: 00:23:56

five and six types are real cerebral.

Danielle Burnett: 00:23:58

Yes.

Danielle Burnett: 00:23:59

And they wanna build the.

Danielle Burnett: 00:24:01

backing for their good decision on, some strategy, some past experience.

Danielle Burnett: 00:24:06

Just really think through it.

Danielle Burnett: 00:24:07

So it, then it, you have these three team members.

Danielle Burnett: 00:24:09

Say you have a number eight, a number six, and a number three in a meeting.

Danielle Burnett: 00:24:13

Yeah.

Danielle Burnett: 00:24:14

On a team working towards a goal.

Danielle Burnett: 00:24:16

And you can really quickly see, especially if the person is not in a healthy place,

Danielle Burnett: 00:24:20

but let's say they are in a healthy place.

Danielle Burnett: 00:24:23

, even if they're doing great and all of them are bringing their strengths into

Danielle Burnett: 00:24:26

the room, you can really quickly see, Oh, the how they run this person over here.

Danielle Burnett: 00:24:29

Yeah, they're gonna rub on it.

Danielle Burnett: 00:24:30

This person over here is gonna say, This is what we need to do.

Danielle Burnett: 00:24:32

Let's do it.

Danielle Burnett: 00:24:32

And then this person that's the feeler is just thinking.

Danielle Burnett: 00:24:36

Ooh, I need to think about this a little bit where I need to

Danielle Burnett: 00:24:38

talk about this a little more.

Danielle Burnett: 00:24:39

I need to think about how this impacts the whole organization and really I think too,

Danielle Burnett: 00:24:43

there's beauty in thinking through all the

Dallas Burnett: 00:24:45

sides of all that.

Dallas Burnett: 00:24:46

Yes.

Dallas Burnett: 00:24:46

I think here's what I would say too, and when you get into some,

Dallas Burnett: 00:24:49

like some of the decision science, like the Daniel Conneman's thinking

Dallas Burnett: 00:24:52

Fast and slow or the Gary Klein's sources of power that, that really

Dallas Burnett: 00:24:57

talk about how we make decisions and.

Dallas Burnett: 00:25:00

When we are thinking fast, we are thinking in the subconscious, our

Dallas Burnett: 00:25:05

brains are processing things very quickly and we're not , putting,

Dallas Burnett: 00:25:09

intentional thought, into it.

Dallas Burnett: 00:25:11

It's just we react and , that's shown to be useful in environments

Dallas Burnett: 00:25:16

where we have a lot of experie.

Dallas Burnett: 00:25:19

So if you're one of those, Like a firefighter?

Dallas Burnett: 00:25:21

Yeah, like a firefighter.

Dallas Burnett: 00:25:22

If you're a firefighter and you walk in, and that was actually Gary

Dallas Burnett: 00:25:24

Klein's example, He's a firefighter, Walk into a a building, it's on fire,

Dallas Burnett: 00:25:28

and your gut tells you it's time.

Dallas Burnett: 00:25:30

You gotta get out, then you should trust your gut, but in situations where we're in

Dallas Burnett: 00:25:34

uncertainty, Then we tend to make poorer decisions if we trust our gut versus

Dallas Burnett: 00:25:41

going with something like a heuristics or model or something like that.

Dallas Burnett: 00:25:45

And Daniel Kaman has done a lot of work on that, thinking fast and slow.

Dallas Burnett: 00:25:48

Now, if you are one in the, gut triads, then you're in an

Dallas Burnett: 00:25:53

environment of uncertainty.

Dallas Burnett: 00:25:56

That is a place of danger, especially if you're an entrepreneur.

Dallas Burnett: 00:25:59

You have to have, you have to have that kind of gutsy side to you where

Dallas Burnett: 00:26:02

you're going out there and charging the hill to want to be an entrepreneur.

Dallas Burnett: 00:26:06

But on the flip side, you're making decisions in a space many times

Dallas Burnett: 00:26:10

that's, that's not been, gone before.

Dallas Burnett: 00:26:12

That's what you're doing as an entrepreneur.

Dallas Burnett: 00:26:13

So it really helps if you can find someone In that, head and heart arena

Dallas Burnett: 00:26:19

to help you see things differently.

Dallas Burnett: 00:26:22

Because we tend to make mistakes if we can't get outside of our own perspective

Dallas Burnett: 00:26:27

especially if we're in an uncertain environment, that we're not used to

Dallas Burnett: 00:26:30

. And so I think that's an example, and I've seen it in my career as well, in

Dallas Burnett: 00:26:34

leading different teams and companies.

Dallas Burnett: 00:26:37

So it's just great to surround yourself with people diverse diversity and

Dallas Burnett: 00:26:40

opinions and perspectives and to know that, like I know that the CFO is

Dallas Burnett: 00:26:45

going to be dead center like number.

Dallas Burnett: 00:26:47

And so like I know that I can go and talk to him and I'm gonna get hi,

Dallas Burnett: 00:26:51

a completely different perspective, a very thoughtful perspective.

Dallas Burnett: 00:26:55

And I know that, maybe HR.

Dallas Burnett: 00:26:57

Is going to be, a number two and I can go and get that perspective and that's just

Dallas Burnett: 00:27:00

gonna help me make decisions better if I can pull those people in that personality.

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:04

I was just gonna say, because it's not so much, it is about

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:07

self-awareness, but when you're thinking about a team, self-awareness is wonderful,

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:12

but team awareness, that's the winner.

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:14

Yeah.

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:14

Yeah.

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:14

When you can not only be aware of how you react in a certain situ.

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:18

But how your teammate reacts and how that rubs upon you.

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:22

Then you don't have to leave work that day and say, Oh my

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:25

goodness, what was their problem?

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:26

You could say, Dallas is normally spontaneous, and he was in

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:29

there straightening his desk up.

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:31

, this is interesting.

Dallas Burnett: 00:27:32

He must be having a stressful day.

Dallas Burnett: 00:27:33

Stay clear of him today.

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:35

Or it can Dallas, it can do the opposite.

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:36

It It could clue you in and you could say, Huh, I think I'm just gonna go

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:40

and ask him how he's doing, instead of.

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:42

Feeling the tension and being like, Ooh, I don't wanna go anywhere near him.

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:45

And so then the problem just gets bigger and bigger or just goes further.

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:48

So instead, you can change the team dynamic by just

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:50

having some team awareness.

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:52

Yeah.

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:52

Yeah.

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:53

Yeah.

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:53

I love it.

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:53

I really do love the Enneagram.

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:54

I think it's very deep.

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:55

It's a deep it, there's a lot to learn and like I said, I'm still learning

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:59

more about it about all the types.

Danielle Burnett: 00:28:00

And I've spent a better part of a year.

Danielle Burnett: 00:28:03

Our full report.

Danielle Burnett: 00:28:04

Yes.

Danielle Burnett: 00:28:04

Which is what's on the site

Danielle Burnett: 00:28:06

. Dallas Burnett: What's been one

Danielle Burnett: 00:28:08

it relates to the Enneagram?

Danielle Burnett: 00:28:10

And it may be some content from the Enneagram or it may be something that's

Danielle Burnett: 00:28:14

arisen out of that, but what's what?

Danielle Burnett: 00:28:16

What's been one of your biggest surprises?

Danielle Burnett: 00:28:18

. Danielle Burnett: When you do anything

Danielle Burnett: 00:28:20

a tool like this, I think the surprise is that people really resonate with it.

Danielle Burnett: 00:28:25

And so I'll give you a couple examples.

Danielle Burnett: 00:28:26

Yeah, I did a lady's workshop in August and I just, it was wonderful.

Danielle Burnett: 00:28:30

I just loved those ladies.

Danielle Burnett: 00:28:32

We had the greatest time, such a sweet opportunity.

Danielle Burnett: 00:28:35

I was so thankful to do it.

Danielle Burnett: 00:28:37

But in, in many cases, I just remember in a few ladies, with tears in their eyes

Danielle Burnett: 00:28:42

kinda looking at me after I went through.

Danielle Burnett: 00:28:44

Whatever their type would be, and they just resonated with it and they looked at

Danielle Burnett: 00:28:50

their life in some different things they were going through that were hard all of

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us have up times and we have down times.

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And they were able to see,

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when I was in this deep place of hurt, I responded this way.

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And so for an eight personality I think one of the, one of the ladies

Danielle Burnett: 00:29:05

was, I need to soften a little bit and that, that personality can

Danielle Burnett: 00:29:10

be one that's charging the hill.

Danielle Burnett: 00:29:11

That can be known as the Challenger, but I also like to think of them as

Danielle Burnett: 00:29:15

a Protector and a Provider as well.

Danielle Burnett: 00:29:16

They're, they pull people close to them.

Danielle Burnett: 00:29:18

So that was really sweet to see that epiphany.

Danielle Burnett: 00:29:21

And then another girl who was a one was noticing that..

Danielle Burnett: 00:29:25

To have everything right in her home, made her feel good.

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And she was in a period of transition and they were moving.

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And so she was feeling like she had so much anxiety in her life and didn't

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know where that was coming from.

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And so then when we just broke it down, learning more about that

Danielle Burnett: 00:29:39

number one personality, about how they do like to have everything.

Danielle Burnett: 00:29:42

Organized and right.

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And that's not wrong to, to have that and want that, but it, she just wasn't able

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to attain it in that time of her life cuz she had been moving and so she just

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threw teary ice was just just amazed to say Oh, this is why I've been like this.

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And.

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And now that I've moved into my house I'm on the road to recovery because I

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can create these spaces of organization like I want to going forward.

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And

Dallas Burnett: 00:30:03

now you've talked about the ladies, you've talked about the girls.

Dallas Burnett: 00:30:05

Let's talk about some guys, because you've done this as well with the

Dallas Burnett: 00:30:08

guys, so let's hear about that.

Danielle Burnett: 00:30:10

So one thing I started with in that particular workshop was

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that the Enneagram is for everyone.

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And so that was one of my rules.

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I laid some ground rules and I did that because I had a room full of

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men and I didn't want the men to be like this old, flowery conversation

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about the unigram and personalities.

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I don't wanna hear it.

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And so I which is maybe wrong with me, but I went into that

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time of that workshop, think.

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I wonder what they're gonna get out of this and if they're gonna like it or

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not, or if it will be too touchy feely.

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So that's why I made that rule.

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But it's for everyone.

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It's for women and men.

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And so I just remember one of the guys was sitting back in his chair

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and I could just tell by his body language he didn't know about it.

Danielle Burnett: 00:30:46

I was like, I wonder if he's a type six, because a six is a, I

Danielle Burnett: 00:30:50

like to call them the Questioner.

Danielle Burnett: 00:30:52

They're very.

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Apprehensive at first to be sold or be won over.

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But once they are, their, another name for them would be the Loyalest.

Danielle Burnett: 00:31:01

And so once they're one over, they're like, this is great.

Danielle Burnett: 00:31:04

So all that being said, that's a little bit of a precursor to what I'm about to

Danielle Burnett: 00:31:07

tell you, but he was sitting back in his seat and so I went through the ones, twos,

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threes, fours, fives, get to the six.

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I still don't know what type he is.

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And I start talking about how.

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The six is, and in different areas of their life.

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And that a six personality makes a wonderful parent because they're always

Danielle Burnett: 00:31:22

on the lookout for danger and they're always warning their children and

Danielle Burnett: 00:31:26

they're always wanting to pull them close and just ask a lot of questions

Danielle Burnett: 00:31:29

about their welfare and all of that.

Danielle Burnett: 00:31:31

But I talked about how a number six personality really makes a.

Danielle Burnett: 00:31:35

Security person personnel because they're very aware of a lot of

Danielle Burnett: 00:31:40

the background of what's going on.

Danielle Burnett: 00:31:41

They take in a lot of that information because they ask questions and they're

Danielle Burnett: 00:31:45

constantly searching and scanning for something that doesn't seem right.

Danielle Burnett: 00:31:48

But he sat up and he said, I want you to.

Danielle Burnett: 00:31:51

I did not think this was good at all.

Danielle Burnett: 00:31:53

But I want you to know that I serve on my church's security

Danielle Burnett: 00:31:56

team, . He said I'm a type

Danielle Burnett: 00:31:57

six

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and I just started laughing and it was great.

Danielle Burnett: 00:32:02

And he was kinda what, over in that moment and it, it just cracked me up.

Danielle Burnett: 00:32:05

But it was neat that the material resonated with him in such a way.

Danielle Burnett: 00:32:09

It's easy to resonate with the good stuff, but what's helpful is to resonate with

Danielle Burnett: 00:32:13

the dark side stuff of your personality, to be self aware about that too.

Danielle Burnett: 00:32:16

And so we got into some of that and I feel that was really helpful.

Danielle Burnett: 00:32:19

And then in fact, he and about three other guys after the workshop had stopped

Danielle Burnett: 00:32:23

me in the hall and were just chatting it up about what type you think my wife is.

Danielle Burnett: 00:32:27

She's like this and she's like that.

Danielle Burnett: 00:32:28

So it really is a tool that's for everybody, men, women alike.

Danielle Burnett: 00:32:31

And I think it's.

Danielle Burnett: 00:32:33

. It's really helpful.

Dallas Burnett: 00:32:33

I think that's so interesting too, because if you're

Dallas Burnett: 00:32:36

a leader, if you're leading a team, it's like you said earlier, having

Dallas Burnett: 00:32:39

the awareness, the self-awareness is fantastic for your own personal

Dallas Burnett: 00:32:43

leadership, but having your, the awareness extended through your team

Dallas Burnett: 00:32:48

it's almost like rocket fuel because as a leader it can inform your decisions.

Dallas Burnett: 00:32:53

I Having a number six like that, you would totally see why he would

Dallas Burnett: 00:32:57

be so good at security and , you could totally see why someone that

Dallas Burnett: 00:33:03

was a hard charger Challenger.

Dallas Burnett: 00:33:04

May need to be paired with someone to balance that out.

Dallas Burnett: 00:33:08

And so it's, if you're trying to get the team dynamics right on a team and

Dallas Burnett: 00:33:12

you just haven't got it there, this is a great assessment to to get a baseline,

Dallas Burnett: 00:33:17

just to get a baseline of where you're, And that's one of the things that we

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always talk about at ThinkMoveThrive.

Dallas Burnett: 00:33:22

One of the things that we

Dallas Burnett: 00:33:23

. Believe about assessments is it does

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start having useful conversations around some really important topics and

Dallas Burnett: 00:33:31

whether that is in your one-on-ones.

Dallas Burnett: 00:33:34

In the coaching sessions that you're doing, or whether that's at a workshop

Dallas Burnett: 00:33:38

or whether that's in, whether that's in the break room, it doesn't really matter.

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You have that baseline.

Dallas Burnett: 00:33:43

So then if this is who I am, this is my mo and all of a sudden you see me and I'm.

Dallas Burnett: 00:33:49

Organizing stuff and I'm, Fran, you know that I'm outta line, I'm like,

Dallas Burnett: 00:33:52

Whoa, something's going on as a leader.

Dallas Burnett: 00:33:54

Yeah.

Dallas Burnett: 00:33:54

Something's going on as I need to know that,, I do like how.

Dallas Burnett: 00:33:57

When you constructed and wrote the report that you did not just lean on

Dallas Burnett: 00:34:02

some of the standard nomenclature of the types because you've mentioned

Dallas Burnett: 00:34:06

it several times during the show.

Dallas Burnett: 00:34:09

You felt like that there's a lot of people that say

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number one as perfectionist.

Dallas Burnett: 00:34:11

You felt like there was some negative connotation to that.

Dallas Burnett: 00:34:13

So I like how you've restructured that and and made it to where it's every type

Dallas Burnett: 00:34:17

is positive, every type is positive.

Danielle Burnett: 00:34:19

It's great type

Dallas Burnett: 00:34:20

of every type and every type can be negative.

Dallas Burnett: 00:34:22

But if we.

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If we're gonna focus on one, we're not gonna slap you in the face right off

Dallas Burnett: 00:34:26

the bat and say, You're this and it's terrible . So I think that's gonna really,

Danielle Burnett: 00:34:30

Yeah.

Danielle Burnett: 00:34:30

We all have a dark side.

Danielle Burnett: 00:34:31

Yeah, that's for sure.

Danielle Burnett: 00:34:32

We all got a dark side.

Danielle Burnett: 00:34:33

Yeah.

Danielle Burnett: 00:34:33

One thing I like that we put in there and I think that, people, like I said

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earlier, go through ups and downs in life and sometimes you need to talk

Danielle Burnett: 00:34:40

to somebody, like you were saying about, talking to a coach and just

Danielle Burnett: 00:34:42

working through some problems working.

Danielle Burnett: 00:34:45

Trials that you have in your life or experiences.

Danielle Burnett: 00:34:47

But one thing that we've done and I think is particularly helpful is

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give some ideas of how each type should move forward in growth.

Danielle Burnett: 00:34:57

And meditation comes up on almost every single type.

Danielle Burnett: 00:35:01

Yeah.

Danielle Burnett: 00:35:01

Because just meditating clear in your mind.

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Even journaling.

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Get it on paper, get it outta their mind so that they can kind.

Danielle Burnett: 00:35:07

Just be refreshed.

Danielle Burnett: 00:35:08

So I do think that there's the, there's a growth edge to each personality Yes.

Danielle Burnett: 00:35:13

Of where they can be, some things they could be aware of.

Danielle Burnett: 00:35:16

And that's

Dallas Burnett: 00:35:16

another, that's another point that you bring up again

Dallas Burnett: 00:35:19

on, on getting a baseline when we're talking about an assessment, whether

Dallas Burnett: 00:35:23

it's the Engram or something else.

Dallas Burnett: 00:35:24

We're talking about the engram the day, but it doesn't matter.

Dallas Burnett: 00:35:26

It could be another assessment.

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Not only do you know where the person is today, but you can know if you if you

Dallas Burnett: 00:35:33

take a very good assessment, you can know where they could be growing and that as

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a coach or a leader, that is a roadmap.

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That's a roadmap to future success.

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And if you're not using that, if you're leading a team or just leading

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yourself and you're not using.

Dallas Burnett: 00:35:50

To modify routines or to talk about reminders or things like that's

Dallas Burnett: 00:35:55

really gonna be helpful as you grow, find that growth edge, as you said.

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, and you're missing a huge opportunity.

Dallas Burnett: 00:36:01

You're missing a huge opportunity.

Dallas Burnett: 00:36:02

How much would it show that you care about one of your

Dallas Burnett: 00:36:06

team members to individual?

Dallas Burnett: 00:36:08

Not only the assessment, but the growth that they would experience and say,

Dallas Burnett: 00:36:12

Hey look, I want you to take this assessment for my, for, as a team.

Dallas Burnett: 00:36:16

And by the way, we're gonna have this conversation about it.

Dallas Burnett: 00:36:18

And, oh, here's three areas where I know we've had this conversation.

Dallas Burnett: 00:36:21

You want to grow and.

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Can grow and I'm gonna partner with you in that and help you get there.

Dallas Burnett: 00:36:25

I think that's huge to build trust and show that you can Yeah.

Dallas Burnett: 00:36:29

You know, connect.

Danielle Burnett: 00:36:30

You care about your employees.

Danielle Burnett: 00:36:31

Yeah.

Danielle Burnett: 00:36:31

I love it, Dallas.

Danielle Burnett: 00:36:32

That's right.

Danielle Burnett: 00:36:32

That's right.

Danielle Burnett: 00:36:33

Yeah.

Danielle Burnett: 00:36:33

And we know people that feel cared for are gonna do a better job.

Danielle Burnett: 00:36:36

I I remember back to my pharmaceutical days, I had an amazing.

Danielle Burnett: 00:36:40

and several amazing bosses, and I would've done anything they asked

Danielle Burnett: 00:36:43

me to do because they cared for me.

Danielle Burnett: 00:36:45

They were so precious to me.

Danielle Burnett: 00:36:46

And when you feel cared for, you wanna work harder, you wanna do better

Danielle Burnett: 00:36:49

for the organization that you're in.

Danielle Burnett: 00:36:50

So I even from a, like you say from a coaching perspective, to

Danielle Burnett: 00:36:54

utilize some of this self-awareness and build that into the growth

Danielle Burnett: 00:36:57

to the growth of your employees.

Danielle Burnett: 00:36:58

I think for a leader it's is very valuable.

Dallas Burnett: 00:37:01

I think it's been a great conversation around the Enneagram

Dallas Burnett: 00:37:05

today and I'm very glad we finally, I was finally able to convince you to

Dallas Burnett: 00:37:09

come on the last 10% to talk about it.

Dallas Burnett: 00:37:11

And

Danielle Burnett: 00:37:11

I'm a little.

Danielle Burnett: 00:37:12

You had

Dallas Burnett: 00:37:13

a lot of great guests.

Dallas Burnett: 00:37:13

I know we've had some, we've had some great guests

Dallas Burnett: 00:37:15

but I do ask this to all the guests so you're no different.

Dallas Burnett: 00:37:18

I always ask guests at the end of the show, who's somebody that you

Dallas Burnett: 00:37:23

would like for us to go after to, to have on the last 10%, and so

Danielle Burnett: 00:37:28

Are not gonna be surprised by this.

Danielle Burnett: 00:37:30

One of my favorite people, and I'll describe her on the Enneagram

Danielle Burnett: 00:37:33

as a two, probably a two as a helper, a giver, a connector.

Danielle Burnett: 00:37:38

Okay.

Danielle Burnett: 00:37:38

So fun.

Danielle Burnett: 00:37:39

Very high eq, but Dolly Parton Dallas.

Danielle Burnett: 00:37:42

If you could get Dolly Parton on the show, it would be very great.

Danielle Burnett: 00:37:46

And in fact at the last retreat I did I used one of her quotes

Danielle Burnett: 00:37:49

and it said, Find, this is one of her quotes on self-awareness.

Danielle Burnett: 00:37:52

Find out who you are and do it on purpose.

Danielle Burnett: 00:37:54

And that, that

Dallas Burnett: 00:37:54

sounds like, Oh, that sounds like Dolly.

Dallas Burnett: 00:37:56

That sounds like a song.

Dallas Burnett: 00:37:57

Sounds like Dolly now.

Dallas Burnett: 00:37:59

So I will do our best.

Dallas Burnett: 00:38:01

, we are we will do our best to get, got easy.

Dallas Burnett: 00:38:04

But she has, yes, her calendar is full.

Dallas Burnett: 00:38:07

If you like that we may not have Dolly on the next episode, but we actually,

Dallas Burnett: 00:38:12

funny enough that you should request, Dolly may actually have you something

Dallas Burnett: 00:38:15

that you'll enjoy listening to as it relates to Dolly on the next episode.

Dallas Burnett: 00:38:19

Oh, I cannot wait.

Dallas Burnett: 00:38:20

So , we'll keep that teaser for the next episode.

Dallas Burnett: 00:38:22

But we'll do our best.

Dallas Burnett: 00:38:23

We'll reach out to Dolly and see if she can she can work in the

Dallas Burnett: 00:38:26

last 10% on her busy schedule and.

Dallas Burnett: 00:38:28

See if we can get her on the show.

Dallas Burnett: 00:38:29

That'll be good.

Dallas Burnett: 00:38:30

Never know.

Dallas Burnett: 00:38:30

You never know.

Dallas Burnett: 00:38:31

That's Thank you again, Danielle, for being on the show today.

Dallas Burnett: 00:38:33

Thanks for sharing about the Enneagram and how we can build

Dallas Burnett: 00:38:36

connection and understanding and self awareness with our teams and ourself.

Dallas Burnett: 00:38:40

And thanks for being on and I'm sure this is not the last time that I hope I

Dallas Burnett: 00:38:44

can talk you into being on the last 10%.

Danielle Burnett: 00:38:46

Thank you.