Mark Jordan | "Unravel" Your Purpose: Discussing the Path to Clarity and Personal Growth
Welcome back to "The Last 10%!" In today's episode, host Dallas Burnett is joined by Mark Jordan, an investment banker, real estate investor, entrepreneur, and the driving force behind Unravel—a program dedicated to men's transformational growth in spiritual, relational, and vocational lives. Mark shares his powerful journey, encouraging men to develop clarity and a purposeful vision that can guide their lives. We'll explore how progress, not perfection, is key to overcoming life's challenges, and the importance of having a supportive community for personal and professional growth. Mark also opens up about his own battles with back pain, the life lessons it brought, and his passion for helping men excel in their faith and daily lives. Get ready for an insightful conversation packed with practical advice and inspiration to help you finish strong. Stay tuned!
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dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: We're talking to Mark Jordan today.
Speaker:What an amazing guy.
Speaker:He's an investment banker, real estate investor, entrepreneur,
Speaker:but has a little bit of a twist.
Speaker:He started unravel.
Speaker:It's an organization that focuses on men's transformational growth.
Speaker:and also spiritual, relational, and vocational lives.
Speaker:So man, it's going to be a great discussion today.
Speaker:He's a great new friend of mine.
Speaker:You don't want to miss this incredible conversation.
Speaker:Welcome to the last 10%.
Speaker:Your host, Dallas Burnett dives into incredible conversations that
Speaker:will inspire you to finish well.
Speaker:And finish strong.
Speaker:Listen, as guests share their journeys and valuable advice on living in the
Speaker:last 10%, if you are a leader, a coach, a business owner, or someone looking to
Speaker:level up, you are in the right place.
Speaker:Remember, you can give 90 percent effort and make it a long way, but it's finding
Speaker:out how to unlock the last 10 percent that makes all the difference in your
Speaker:life, your relationships, and your work.
Speaker:Now, here's Dallas.
Speaker:Welcome, welcome, welcome.
Speaker:I am Dallas Burnett sitting in my 1905 Coke Brothers barber
Speaker:chair in Thrive Studios.
Speaker:But more importantly, we have a great guest today, Mark Jordan.
Speaker:He's an investor, an author.
Speaker:But also a scuba diver in volcanoes.
Speaker:Oh my gosh.
Speaker:What in the world?
Speaker:He's also the founder of Unravel.
Speaker:Welcome to the show, Mark.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: Dallas, thanks man.
Speaker:Thanks for having me.
Speaker:I'm looking forward to spending some time together today, man
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Absolutely.
Speaker:So I've got to get to this because this came out in our show prep.
Speaker:You have literally gone scuba diving in a volcano.
Speaker:I can say that is definitely not something that I've done before.
Speaker:So how did that happen?
Speaker:And tell us about that experience a little bit.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: Yeah, I love telling the story.
Speaker:It's a fun trip My wife and I took to Santorini one time in Greece and you
Speaker:know when you think about volcano people envision volcano, gases coming out of
Speaker:the top and it's an underwater volcano.
Speaker:I think they if I recall the term is caldera
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Wow.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: So we scuba dived in Santorini in a
Speaker:caldera, which is an underwater volcano.
Speaker:And it was so cool, man.
Speaker:It
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Wow.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: enjoyed it a lot.
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Now, are you an avid scuba diver?
Speaker:Do you do scuba dive a lot or is this something that was totally out of the box?
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: You know, we used to probably do maybe once a year
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Hmm.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: We're not avid like where you go, on
Speaker:these special trips, but wherever we would go, we usually try to carve out.
Speaker:a unique place to scuba dive.
Speaker:And we have been fortunate to scuba in some really neat places.
Speaker:I think my top one would be Tahiti, uh, Bora Bora and Moraya and around
Speaker:that area there is certainly my top, but not as much anymore.
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Yeah.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: some back surgeries that have put a crimp
Speaker:in that, but I loved it so much.
Speaker:It's so much fun and just incredible seeing, all the life
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Yes.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: in the ocean.
Speaker:Mhm.
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: I know I watched a lot of these shows,
Speaker:but our daughters are all into that.
Speaker:So they're watching that.
Speaker:And that's, I've never, I've actually never gone, I've gone
Speaker:snorkeling, but I've never taken the plunge to go deep and scuba dive,
Speaker:but I've always thought about it.
Speaker:So you might inspire me.
Speaker:Maybe I'll go find an underwater volcano.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: There you go.
Speaker:Now's your time.
Speaker:Now's your
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: That's right.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: start somewhere simple first and then do it.
Speaker:You're gonna love it.
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Okay.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:Well, I'll check that out.
Speaker:So tell everybody, let's talk about this because you have a background that's in
Speaker:investment banking and real estate and a lot of financial things, but yet you've
Speaker:gotten into this other kind of got opened up the door to this other path as well.
Speaker:So I'd love to hear your background and got you on your path and your journey?
Speaker:Ah, nice.
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: a lot of different endeavors in my life.
Speaker:My core business has been investment banking for a long time.
Speaker:and throughout that, I've had, I've been involved in real estate investing,
Speaker:owned some office buildings in Atlanta, and I've owned other rental
Speaker:properties over the years as well.
Speaker:And certainly have enjoyed that and got a lot out of it as well.
Speaker:I've written a number of books.
Speaker:They were for the most part credibility pieces, but Dallas, I got to tell
Speaker:you that one along the journey was a children's book I did years ago.
Speaker:This is probably 15 years ago I did as a passion project.
Speaker:My children really encouraged me, inspired me and did a children's book
Speaker:and did a little tour and everything and had so much fun with that.
Speaker:So I've had a lot of endeavors like that.
Speaker:Some have been passion projects like that.
Speaker:my core business investment banking I've loved.
Speaker:what sits above that though?
Speaker:Cool.
Speaker:It is a larger passion, a passion to invest in men and help them and
Speaker:equip them and encourage them in the pursuit of excellence and leadership.
Speaker:And that's really over the years.
Speaker:Of course, I also didn't start day one like that, but it's been
Speaker:something that's involved evolved for me over the years has become really
Speaker:an overarching passion in my life.
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: I love that.
Speaker:I think that's a very interesting that you're passionate about it because in
Speaker:our culture today, I would say that the focus has not been on, Shaping men as
Speaker:much as empowering other groups, I mean, I'm the father of three daughters, so I
Speaker:am all for making sure that women have a voice and that they , have all the
Speaker:opportunities that are afforded to anyone.
Speaker:But that being said, it's almost like I feel like our culture may be throwing
Speaker:the baby out with the bathwater in a way.
Speaker:Because.
Speaker:We definitely need to shape men and we definitely need to be focused on how
Speaker:we can make better men, because then that would probably help solve some
Speaker:other problems along the way as well.
Speaker:is there a story background that inspired you or specifically
Speaker:really got you passionate about training and transforming men?
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: Yeah.
Speaker:It has been, and by the way, I've got two daughters, so I totally
Speaker:relate to what you're talking about.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Yeah.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: to two great men.
Speaker:So I'm very
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Mm hmm.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: and it has been a journey.
Speaker:It's a seasonal journey for me to get to that spot where I became
Speaker:so passionate about it growing
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Mm,
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: didn't really have a really
Speaker:strong male investment in my life.
Speaker:My parents were My father certainly modeled hard work and I'm so grateful
Speaker:for that, but not really a, an intentional investment in helping me,
Speaker:pursue growth and pursue excellence.
Speaker:And when I finished undergrad and then ultimately graduate school.
Speaker:Connected with some guys in business that for the first time
Speaker:I really saw them invest in me, for the most part, vocationally.
Speaker:not a lot outside of that, but some,
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Right.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: saw it was like, wow, okay,
Speaker:here's people investing in me.
Speaker:And then as time went on in the next season of my life, I saw men
Speaker:investing in people outside of business, on a personal level.
Speaker:a long journey of being involved in many different men's groups, some
Speaker:that were highly intellectual, some that were more, hang out sort of
Speaker:groups and a lot of stuff, in between.
Speaker:And those years, I really begin to sit back and go, okay, what
Speaker:am I hearing from my friends?
Speaker:And what am I hearing from me that men need?
Speaker:And actually, interesting enough, your book move, which I haven't had a
Speaker:chance to read it all, but I've read
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Mm,
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: of it.
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Mm,
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: of the things you talk about in
Speaker:there is the way that men feel stuck
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Mm,
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: They have this
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: That's right.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: feeling of just and
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Yes.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: And the way I like to think about it is
Speaker:family, friends, fitness, finances.
Speaker:You've got these key areas of your life.
Speaker:Everything rolls up into that.
Speaker:From my
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Yes.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: of course, faith wraps
Speaker:around all of that, but
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Mm.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: area in, out of those five, some men feel stuck
Speaker:in some way, but because we don't like to admit it, but we are a bit insecure.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:So
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Yes!
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: it's hard for us to have space
Speaker:to say, I'm insecure, I'm stuck.
Speaker:I want to move forward from that.
Speaker:And as I've been to begin to see and experience the benefits of people
Speaker:investing in me, I've got really excited about investing in others seeing that
Speaker:men needed that and wanted that and begin to experiment with, what could
Speaker:that look like, to help men pursue this idea of growth and excellence.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: I do think that it is, I think it's inherent
Speaker:for men to feel insecure as a human being, just because we're all human.
Speaker:But I think there is some pressure there, from culture that.
Speaker:you've got to have all your, all your things in order and, or you've
Speaker:got to be this really, charismatic swagger, confident person, because
Speaker:that's, that's what's on social media.
Speaker:and that, that image, I think definitely.
Speaker:It really inhibits males ability to be open about some things that
Speaker:they may be insecure about, or maybe feel like they need to talk about.
Speaker:So I definitely think that's a very strong need in our culture.
Speaker:Let me ask you a question.
Speaker:You used a word, use a word, transformative.
Speaker:And we talk at Think, Move, Thrive and Last 10 percent about
Speaker:transformational leadership.
Speaker:And leaders that are transformational.
Speaker:Can you tell a listener's what does that mean to you?
Speaker:And how would that be different?
Speaker:How have you seen that transformation process?
Speaker:Not only as it relates to men, but in leaders in your career.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: men experience, I know myself, I do is
Speaker:that as I have this awareness and some aspect of my life that I can be
Speaker:more, that I can grow more than the, my first reaction is to feel shame.
Speaker:It's man, gosh, I'm so far away from where I could be or should be.
Speaker:and that's not a good feeling of course.
Speaker:And then what do I do with that shame?
Speaker:And what do you do with it?
Speaker:Oftentimes we don't know what to do with it.
Speaker:So that one of the biggest things I've seen that have helped help not only
Speaker:myself, but men as well as to reframe the mindset to what we like to think of
Speaker:at unravel as progress, not perfection.
Speaker:it's the shame is there.
Speaker:Okay, that's fine, but what can be beyond that?
Speaker:And if you focus on making progress instead of pursuing perfection, it
Speaker:really, I think, frees up the space, not only to have more curiosity,
Speaker:but also to surround yourself.
Speaker:And I think this is a big part of that last 10 percent is surrounding yourself
Speaker:with men, who are interested in sitting in and pursuing that last 10%, that
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Yeah.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: growth, because then you have space
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Yes.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: to challenge your thinking because
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Yes.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: We're myopic in many areas of our lives.
Speaker:And when we have the men around us like that, they challenge our thinking, which
Speaker:I think then inspires us to, to growth and to see more of what we can be.
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: I love that.
Speaker:I think that we always talk about well when we're coaching we're
Speaker:wanting people to run towards something and not away from something.
Speaker:But I love how you put it because what you're saying is Even if you've chosen,
Speaker:you're not running from something you're running towards something.
Speaker:Okay, great.
Speaker:But there's still more nuance to what you're running towards
Speaker:because you can still stumble.
Speaker:I love how you're running towards progress and not perfection because
Speaker:it's a whole, it's just a whole lot easier to coach a mindset, in terms of
Speaker:being positive and moving somewhere.
Speaker:If you can see gains, everybody likes to win.
Speaker:And I remember one time in my early in my career.
Speaker:I got, I was in this technical sales role.
Speaker:It was very technical, it was chemical and the sales cycle took forever.
Speaker:I mean, it was like two years was the average sales cycle to sell one thing.
Speaker:Now, granted, yes, long, but it might've been a million dollars sale,
Speaker:but it took two years, you know?
Speaker:And so I'm sitting beside the office of this other guy and he's
Speaker:selling products that are like 20.
Speaker:And so we're on the phone.
Speaker:We're working just as hard.
Speaker:And he's killing just sales every day.
Speaker:Boom, boom, boom.
Speaker:Oh, this is great.
Speaker:he's high five and he's winning 20 sales or a hundred dollars sales, 200
Speaker:sales, and I'm like two years before I can high five and go, I got one.
Speaker:You know, my two years might have been even more than that guy, but at the end
Speaker:of the day He's living a happy life and i'm just so mad kicking things because
Speaker:I I was frustrated because I didn't have a small win because I hadn't achieved
Speaker:this big thing And I feel like that's very much like what you're talking
Speaker:about if you're going after perfection You, you end up never getting there.
Speaker:You can't ever celebrate a win because you're always trying to reach this thing
Speaker:that's out of reach or feel so far away is just makes it hard to celebrate.
Speaker:Where just like my guy still on a 20 thing.
Speaker:It's Oh, that's progress.
Speaker:I made a 20.
Speaker:I'm 20 up another 20, another 100, another 200.
Speaker:And so I think that from a mindset psychology, it's so important that
Speaker:perspective, because it allows us, it gives us the ability to breathe
Speaker:and also the ability to celebrate.
Speaker:Cause we can.
Speaker:Now not be focused on this unattainable thing.
Speaker:We can run towards something we can move on.
Speaker:We can do right now.
Speaker:And so that's exciting.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: And you know Dallas from the work that you do that
Speaker:this best occurs in an environment of.
Speaker:groups, like where you're not by yourself.
Speaker:And this is what I think is so hard when we're on the journey of running
Speaker:towards something, even if it's progress.
Speaker:If we're not surrounded by other people who are like minded who are going,
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Hmm.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: I'm running toward, those same marks.
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Hmm.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: hard by you.
Speaker:It's hard enough, when you're surrounded by people, but it's very hard.
Speaker:It's so much harder to do it by itself, by yourself for sure.
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Yeah, I think for leaders.
Speaker:One of the challenges, and we have a lot of leaders, coaches, business owners
Speaker:on the show, whether you're a leader, it just gets lonely at the top and the
Speaker:higher you move in either organization, in your organization or business, the
Speaker:more you can tend to feel isolated.
Speaker:Because you're seen as this leader.
Speaker:I'm supposed to have the answers.
Speaker:Maybe you feel that way, at least.
Speaker:And in some sense, you are casting the vision and taking the
Speaker:team where they're going to go.
Speaker:And so there's certain things that you just may not feel comfortable sharing
Speaker:with those because they may not need to know, and it may stress them out.
Speaker:And you're bearing that burden.
Speaker:But what that does is it isolates you.
Speaker:What would you tell someone that was Either an
Speaker:organizational owner or a leader.
Speaker:To encourage them to find a group that they could open up and be
Speaker:vulnerable about some things, whether it's professional or personal?
Speaker:That's a great question because you
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: don't know what you don't
Speaker:know when we're sitting
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: M.
Speaker:Mm hmm.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: intuitively know that there's
Speaker:some areas we need to grow in.
Speaker:And certainly if someone asks someone, Hey, are you perfect in every area?
Speaker:Very few people are going to say yes.
Speaker:They're going to say, of course not.
Speaker:The question you're posing is how do people move forward from that?
Speaker:when people, if they're not experiencing a lot of pain in some area of their life,
Speaker:if they're experiencing a lot of pain, usually that will, that'll drive them.
Speaker:That'll prompt them to start scanning for, opportunities to
Speaker:do something about that pain.
Speaker:But the biggest challenge are for men that aren't really sitting in a lot of pain.
Speaker:So what I encourage men to do is to do some surveying.
Speaker:So survey five people you're close to people that will tell it that
Speaker:will be real with you and not just, treat you like the emperor's new
Speaker:clothes, but they'll really say, okay, really tell it to you like it is.
Speaker:And to ask him, Hey, what are some areas in my life, that I'm weak in.
Speaker:What are some areas that you see that I need to grow in?
Speaker:What are some areas that you feel like I'm stuck in?
Speaker:What are you seeing that I'm not?
Speaker:And then you will hear from those people and you'll start to get generally a theme.
Speaker:if you're really excited about it, survey 10 people cause then you really get a good
Speaker:theme of where the areas that I'm stuck.
Speaker:And then it becomes a question, Hey, maybe I don't see it that
Speaker:way, but if I've had that people telling me that I'm stuck, okay.
Speaker:I need to do something about it.
Speaker:And then I encourage people to think about this.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Books are great.
Speaker:I read a lot of books.
Speaker:They're great.
Speaker:They have great value and it's hard to sustain the growth
Speaker:that you learn from a book.
Speaker:So then it's okay, read a book.
Speaker:But then I ask people, okay, tell me the last couple of books you've read.
Speaker:What kind of, principles did you get from them?
Speaker:How much of that is, are you really implementing right now in your life?
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Yes,
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: that that's not happening extensively.
Speaker:You need people around you to go on this journey with you and that
Speaker:oftentimes, not all the time, of course, but that oftentimes creates
Speaker:some forward momentum for men to, to want to get on that journey.
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: I think that creates a level of
Speaker:uncomfortable, just an uncomfortable state because when you open yourself up
Speaker:to other people, exposing some or shining some light on areas where you might know,
Speaker:Hey, I might, but then all of a sudden it gets real when someone speaks that.
Speaker:to you and it's like you can't really hide from that.
Speaker:So I think that it's like you were saying that people tend to want to
Speaker:find solutions when they're in pain.
Speaker:if they're experiencing something, I want to alleviate this in some way.
Speaker:and you're almost doing that when you open yourself up like that.
Speaker:It's not necessarily pain, but it may be a little painful to hear somebody
Speaker:tell you that you're not great.
Speaker:You don't get the social media, like thumbs up, a smile emoji, and
Speaker:they're like being honest with you out of love, and it's like, ah, okay.
Speaker:So it's almost like a, it's like a little bit of that in, in increasing a
Speaker:little bit of level and uncomfortable, to hopefully generate some movements.
Speaker:I like that.
Speaker:I like that surveying some peers and seeing areas that need to work on.
Speaker:Need to work on it.
Speaker:You can engage with other people.
Speaker:I would love to hear what your experience with unravel.
Speaker:Tell us how, because you're going from investment bank.
Speaker:Tell us the, the genesis of unravel cause the, and the group and like what
Speaker:it's all about and how you guys partner with men to help them in their journey.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: Yeah.
Speaker:So it, it became as this outcrop, as I mentioned earlier, of these years
Speaker:of being in groups and what I like, not like what are my friends like
Speaker:and not like, and what I discovered is that men in general want to feel
Speaker:like they have accomplished something
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Hmm.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: creates
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Hmm.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: growth, not feel like it's
Speaker:just always a hangout session.
Speaker:So unravel his is built around first, the core of it is a year long, once a month,
Speaker:three hour, time to meet in a group, but most of the work is done outside of that.
Speaker:So we have not only curated books that men read, but there are other, exercises,
Speaker:other principles, other ways they engage with the content throughout that year.
Speaker:And when they come together once a month, there's a real strong intentionality
Speaker:about what they've discovered.
Speaker:that last month.
Speaker:So that, that full 12 month is built around a number of
Speaker:principles that ultimately feed into pursuit of excellence,
Speaker:leadership, and vision casting.
Speaker:Right, to have more clarity about where you're going in life and, and if you
Speaker:haven't been clear on that, to create at least some understanding and begin
Speaker:to think more about having greater clarity for the direction in your life.
Speaker:So that's part, that's part one, this 12 month environment.
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Yeah.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: have part two.
Speaker:It's not obligatory, but from minute one to it's a six month.
Speaker:leadership oriented.
Speaker:That's all built around leadership oriented again once a month, three hours.
Speaker:And then lastly, there's Unravel 3, which is a long term environment
Speaker:that's built around, it's modeled after the Inklings, which was C.
Speaker:S.
Speaker:Lewis and J.
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Yes.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: they used to have, where they would
Speaker:meet weekly and critique each other's works and encourage and challenge.
Speaker:And
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Yes.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: that to be able to have a long term group where
Speaker:you can have tough conversations, but have the tools to do it in a healthy way.
Speaker:And then the last thing we've done, recognizing it's a big commitment
Speaker:to say, I'm going to meet once a month for a year and I'm going to
Speaker:have work to do outside of that.
Speaker:So we have a couple of on ramps that are easier for men.
Speaker:one is free.
Speaker:It's called Unravel Go.
Speaker:It's a six.
Speaker:self paced, independent, you do it by yourself, content.
Speaker:And then we have unravel labs, which we have two courses in that
Speaker:again, which are self paced that are succession oriented, type of
Speaker:environment where men can say, Oh, wow.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:I did make some progress in this time.
Speaker:Now I want more of this.
Speaker:In fact, we created a page just for your group to be able to participate in those
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Nice.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: called unravelgroups.
Speaker:com forward slash 10 percent spelled
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Yeah.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: So the two
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Great.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: out.
Speaker:So men go to that, listeners, they can click that and they can see,
Speaker:okay, here's a quick to take a small step, a medium step or big
Speaker:step in, in that growth journey.
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: And that's awesome.
Speaker:we'll put that in the show notes for sure.
Speaker:I loved what you said at the beginning on that, that first stage is that you really
Speaker:help men craft a vision for their life.
Speaker:tell me if we have some listeners and they're feeling stuck because
Speaker:you used to use the buzzword.
Speaker:We didn't talk about this before the show, but you were dropping it, man.
Speaker:I, we, the whole first, Quarter of the book move is all about
Speaker:clarity and finding clarity.
Speaker:And you've used that word a couple of times.
Speaker:So that's a hot button topic for us.
Speaker:we love that word and what it means and how to get more of it.
Speaker:If you need it, you need more of it.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And so,
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: Yeah,
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: what would you, what advice would
Speaker:you give listeners who feel like they're stuck and they don't have a
Speaker:vision for their life and they really don't have an idea of What, how do
Speaker:I even get a vision for my life?
Speaker:what does that even mean?
Speaker:So unpack that idea for us.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: Yeah, I love it.
Speaker:and I did the parts of your book that the part of your book
Speaker:that I've had a chance to read.
Speaker:I saw that share.
Speaker:There's a lot of shared themes in your book and what unravel is about as well.
Speaker:And clarity is one of those.
Speaker:And it's one of those things that like, if you're just sitting there
Speaker:going, what's vision for my life?
Speaker:What can that look like?
Speaker:What can it be?
Speaker:It's hard to just manufacture that thought yourself.
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Mm.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: And
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Mm.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: on the flip side, in today's world,
Speaker:There are endless resources for that.
Speaker:we're bombarded with, whether it be Instagram posts or social media or, Google
Speaker:algorithm feeding us things that can feed it and it can become overwhelming.
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Yes.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: Unravel, you will end Unravel
Speaker:with a clear vision statement.
Speaker:Like you've never had before.
Speaker:it is a clear vision statement that then will inform how you live your life.
Speaker:And then we say, if it's not informing it, then You clearly need to modify it
Speaker:because you don't really believe in it.
Speaker:So it's an iterative process of course, but for men that don't have access to
Speaker:something like that or we're just sitting there thinking what could be a next step.
Speaker:I go back to my thing earlier, you've heard the saying before, if you walk
Speaker:with wise people, you grow wise.
Speaker:So identify people around you in your life.
Speaker:who you think, who who are moving the ball down the field, they're
Speaker:making progress and serving.
Speaker:Hey, how have you come up with a vision casting in your life?
Speaker:What resources have you used?
Speaker:What have you gone to?
Speaker:of course, I can, I could personally recommend great books and, and
Speaker:that's what I encourage people to do is just a simple starting point.
Speaker:Ask people that you admire, how do they do that?
Speaker:And you'll get a very sort of disparate set of answers.
Speaker:That's fine.
Speaker:There's
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Yes.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: way to do it.
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Yes.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: lands and resonates with you so that
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Yes,
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: take a first step.
Speaker:And then again, just believe so strongly if you do that in the context with
Speaker:other men, you're, you have a much more likelihood of making progress.
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: I love that.
Speaker:And that's just really great.
Speaker:That's really great advice.
Speaker:And funny enough, we talk about it, like you said, in our, in the way we
Speaker:say it in move is, and it's, it's been a while that move came out in 2018.
Speaker:It's been so long since I've thought about that.
Speaker:So it's really, this is great refresher, just talking to you about it because
Speaker:it's bringing all this stuff back up.
Speaker:I'm like, I need to talk about this more, the idea is, When we're going
Speaker:after clarity, it's, if you think about a clarity of a photograph,
Speaker:you think you need three things.
Speaker:You need light, focus, and frame, And so, the light is a picture.
Speaker:You need to illuminate that picture in your life.
Speaker:So we're saying, what is it?
Speaker:Like you just said, it's what resonates.
Speaker:Like when someone says something to you, you go, Ooh, and it's not resonate in.
Speaker:It's not resonate like, Oh, I want to be a billionaire, win the lottery
Speaker:and just spend a bunch of money.
Speaker:That's not,
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: right,
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: not what we're talking about.
Speaker:that's, it's something deeper.
Speaker:It's something more lasting.
Speaker:And it's something that when you sit back, there's this feeling
Speaker:like, oh, I am made of this.
Speaker:we are.
Speaker:We're staunch proponents that we're all made with a purpose
Speaker:and we're, it's given to us.
Speaker:We got to figure out what that is.
Speaker:And so it's there.
Speaker:We just got to see what resonates.
Speaker:And so that light is that part.
Speaker:And then, the focus is like you said, you're meeting with people that are in
Speaker:your family, that are wise, that are.
Speaker:That are, that have vision that they're chasing and you're
Speaker:understanding what they're doing.
Speaker:And it gives us the ability to hone in.
Speaker:So the lights there, maybe we know if it's mountains or the beach, but
Speaker:we don't really have the details, and then we start honing out those
Speaker:details, we start getting more clarity.
Speaker:So we got the general picture and then we're moving down with focus.
Speaker:And then I think to your point, it's running towards something.
Speaker:And at that point, it's the frame.
Speaker:It's what frame of reference am I going to run at that?
Speaker:This vision with, and that's what you started with when you said, we're looking
Speaker:for progress, we're not looking for perfection, and am I going to run with
Speaker:a glass half empty or glass half full?
Speaker:So, so those are the things that when I think about clarity for
Speaker:people that feel stuck, it is absolutely possible to gain clarity.
Speaker:Like you said, you can go through unravel and come out with a really
Speaker:tight, solid vision statement for your life, which is really great because.
Speaker:We're firm believers in that in the last 10 percent because how do you live in the
Speaker:last 10 percent if you don't even know what that looks like for you, because
Speaker:everybody has a different last 10%.
Speaker:Now you can live with excellence, but if you can't even define
Speaker:what that is in your life,
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: Yeah.
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: way to live in the last 10%.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: That's
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: So I very encouraged that you guys help men
Speaker:come up with vision statements because that clarity helps them understand.
Speaker:Cause everything flows out of that.
Speaker:when you're thinking like, should I get married or should I move across
Speaker:the country or should I have kids?
Speaker:Or should I go for this promotion?
Speaker:Or what kind of work should I do?
Speaker:what kind of clarity do you have around who you're supposed to be and
Speaker:who you're supposed to be becoming?
Speaker:And so I think that's, that if you can nail that down, then it gives
Speaker:you the ability to take steps towards it, which is just super encouraging.
Speaker:And that's what gets you out of all the ruts.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: and from an a hijack
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Yeah.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: I love that man.
Speaker:that is great.
Speaker:It
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Yeah.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: it in a creates a good visual
Speaker:representation of what needs to occur.
Speaker:as you're striving to achieve clarity.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: That's right.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: a lot.
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: That's right.
Speaker:Yeah, that's, this is really great.
Speaker:And it's, and I love your approach with that.
Speaker:And I love how you are very passionate about that with men.
Speaker:Now let's talk about this, because you've had to deal with some
Speaker:issues in terms of pain yourself.
Speaker:And you've had, you've mentioned it earlier in the show.
Speaker:you've had multiple back surgeries, had some back pain.
Speaker:So tell us about that experience and what that's been like for
Speaker:you and how that's affected you.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: thanks for asking because I'm even in this
Speaker:season of my life of since 2009 when it first started, I'm still learning
Speaker:ways to talk about it in ways that are meaningful because All of us feel like
Speaker:whatever pain we have is the worst, right?
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Mm,
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: of
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: yeah,
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: to us and it's hard.
Speaker:Whatever the pain we're experiencing is and everyone has pain in their life.
Speaker:But for
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: mm,
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: in 2009 I was playing racquetball one
Speaker:day and went to make a shot and then.
Speaker:Suddenly I could barely move and long story short, I spent the next two years
Speaker:trying to avoid back surgery and then ultimately had My first back surgery
Speaker:in 2011, which was a fusion surgery.
Speaker:And every, ever since that season of life prior to the surgery and post surgery,
Speaker:I've had 24 seven pain in my right leg.
Speaker:It hasn't
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Ah,
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: a second fusion surgery in 2016.
Speaker:I had a third back surgery in 2020.
Speaker:it's
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: my,
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: matter of time before I have to have the next one.
Speaker:And it's interesting because there's so much from that
Speaker:Dallas that I've learned from.
Speaker:And it's probably just been in the last probably maybe three years that
Speaker:I've been able to view it I think with a more mature lens because prior to
Speaker:that man I love sports and water skiing and racquetball and tennis and snow
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: yeah,
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: And I love those things and then suddenly I was
Speaker:not able to do any of those Thankfully I can walk and I walk I'm able to walk
Speaker:You know every day I can't really walk hills or anything like that But I can at
Speaker:least walk and I'm so grateful for that.
Speaker:But
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: mm,
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: on it was of course.
Speaker:Oh my gosh I can't believe this.
Speaker:I can't do things.
Speaker:I love to do anymore You know
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: mm, ah,
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: was me kind of thing and that's real and
Speaker:authentic and sure that's fine Those are all natural things to experience
Speaker:and then as I begin to realize slowly But surely that I was replacing
Speaker:that time with much more purposeful Things that made a difference for
Speaker:not just today, but for eternity.
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: mm,
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: I really began to get to a point where
Speaker:I was like, man, suddenly it dawned on me one day, a few years ago,
Speaker:and that this, there's actually a lot of good that came out of this,
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: mm.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: only in, in ways that I could refocus my
Speaker:time, but if I'm being transparent, Dallas, it made me a much humbler person
Speaker:because prior to that, I was one of those people that, you're hurt, you're
Speaker:fine, or you're in pain, you're fine, get up, just, you'll be fine, just get
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Rub some dirt on it, you
Speaker:know, you'll be alright.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: on it, man, yeah, quit complaining, you'll
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: That's right.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: whatever.
Speaker:man, once you get to a point in your life where there's just a small,
Speaker:tiny step between you and that
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Yes,
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: not doing anything, you suddenly
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: yes,
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: Ah, wait a minute.
Speaker:I'm not all that I thought I was.
Speaker:And man, you
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: mm,
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: a lot of notches.
Speaker:So, and I'm still learning to be, I'm still learning more humility, but
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: mm,
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: been a huge, huge.
Speaker:development in my life in many regards, but certainly humility and, and patience.
Speaker:I'll never be long on that.
Speaker:That's still a major weak spot of mine is patience for sure, but learning to do to
Speaker:deliver that more and then being grateful.
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: mm,
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: I'd love the pain to be gone today.
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: sure.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: never will be.
Speaker:And at the same time, I know that it's, in many ways it's been a
Speaker:blessing for me because it's allowed me to repurpose time and spend it
Speaker:on things that, are more valuable.
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Yeah, so I just love that how you
Speaker:describe that because I know if we have with the number of listeners we have, we
Speaker:definitely have a lot of listeners that are going through some type of pain.
Speaker:It may be physical, it may be emotional, it may be relational.
Speaker:It doesn't, it could be any kind of area of your life that you're
Speaker:going and dealing with the pain.
Speaker:But I think that some of the things that you're saying is universal.
Speaker:Number one, it is.
Speaker:It is natural to get frustrated when we are in a position of pain and we're
Speaker:just suffering and it just, it stinks.
Speaker:It is what it is and it's a normal human thing to respond in that way.
Speaker:But I like how you talked about the process of, Moving through this
Speaker:pain and how you dealt with that.
Speaker:And I loved how in the beginning you started realizing like, wow, I'm starting
Speaker:sense.
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: that, that some of the things I
Speaker:was doing when I wasn't in pain.
Speaker:Actually were less important than some of the things I'm doing now.
Speaker:What, because I've had to trade it out because I can't do all these other
Speaker:activities and I think that's a, such a great way to repurpose, just, it's
Speaker:just okay, I'm repurposing my time to something greater and something
Speaker:that I've lost now is going to do.
Speaker:And I think we had a guest on Tyran Jackson.
Speaker:He was one of the early shows.
Speaker:It was probably in the first 10 episodes, but he had lost his.
Speaker:He had lost a lot.
Speaker:He lost his leg in a horrific boating accident and his wife at the same
Speaker:time, it was an explosion on a boat.
Speaker:It wasn't anything their fault.
Speaker:And so, he talks about resiliency a lot.
Speaker:And one of the things I remember him saying was, it's not trying
Speaker:to get back what you lost.
Speaker:It's trying to make what you have, make, remake what you have to make it great.
Speaker:And I was just like, man, what an amazing person.
Speaker:Yeah, powerful statement.
Speaker:It's exactly what you were describing in saying, I'm remaking this time and
Speaker:I make I'm remaking this time that I have into something more purposeful.
Speaker:And I love also how you got to the point where you can say, where in the beginning
Speaker:you were saying, I can't do this.
Speaker:I can't do that.
Speaker:I can't do this.
Speaker:And now you're like, I am so grateful that I can walk every day and man, the
Speaker:attitude of gratitude just spills through in spite of the fact that there was
Speaker:some loss that you have, you had some activities you were enjoying and now
Speaker:you're not able to do them, but you're able to do the things and your focus
Speaker:in this season, you've repurposed and refocused and your focus is on gratitude.
Speaker:And I think That has to be encouraging.
Speaker:I hope if you're listening that you can hear Mark's story and his words
Speaker:on that's this wise words about how to move through pain, with grace.
Speaker:if that's,
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: Yeah.
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: move through pain gracefully.
Speaker:It doesn't mean it doesn't stink and that you wouldn't like
Speaker:to go and snow ski again, but
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: And,
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: you can move through.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: Yeah.
Speaker:And to add to that, I was thinking as you were talking, I was remembering
Speaker:a conversation I had with a mentor of mine who, had a business partner that
Speaker:passed away from ALS a few years ago.
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Ah.
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: when I would be with him, I was,
Speaker:I would feel like I wouldn't even want to talk about my pain.
Speaker:It felt so small.
Speaker:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Hmm.
Speaker:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: to his pain.
Speaker:And then I remember I was talking to this friend of mine who's a mentor one time.
Speaker:And so again, sometimes I feel, I don't know how to talk about it in
Speaker:a way that feels like I just don't know how to talk about the way.
Speaker:And he made a great comment.
Speaker:He goes, Mark, that's your pain.
Dallas Burnett:Yes.
Dallas Burnett:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: it's difficult.
Dallas Burnett:It doesn't, you're not comparing it to other people's pain.
Dallas Burnett:And I'm, I love the way you're encouraging your listeners.
Dallas Burnett:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Hmm.
Dallas Burnett:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: you have pain, all of us have pain.
Dallas Burnett:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Hmm.
Dallas Burnett:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: in different ways.
Dallas Burnett:And,
Dallas Burnett:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Yes.
Dallas Burnett:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: the more that you can lean into that, the
Dallas Burnett:more that you can grapple with it,
Dallas Burnett:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Yes,
Dallas Burnett:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: going to set you up for,
Dallas Burnett:success down the road for sure.
Dallas Burnett:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: I think especially for leaders.
Dallas Burnett:Especially for leaders, because we, and we say this often, you can't give
Dallas Burnett:what you don't have, but if you're in pain, I had one time I was speaking
Dallas Burnett:at a conference and it was, uh, we were talking, it was on burnout it
Dallas Burnett:was a room full of business owners and I'd asked them, are you burnout?
Dallas Burnett:And like half the room raised their hand.
Dallas Burnett:Actively right now, I'm completely frazzled, burnt out.
Dallas Burnett:And then I said, we got into a panel discussion.
Dallas Burnett:Then they, somebody asked, they said, I thought they were going to ask me
Dallas Burnett:about burnout, but they said, you said something during burnout, and
Dallas Burnett:I'm afraid that I'm a victim of that.
Dallas Burnett:I said, what are you a victim of?
Dallas Burnett:They said, you can't give what you don't have, but you do give what you do have.
Dallas Burnett:They said, we're burnout, and I'm almost 100 percent positive that I have
Dallas Burnett:created that in my employees, my team.
Dallas Burnett:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: Oh,
Dallas Burnett:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: I have taken that from myself, and
Dallas Burnett:I've just, Added that to them and I've created an environment that's
Dallas Burnett:really stressing everybody out.
Dallas Burnett:And I think that's so powerful, but if you're in pain, one of the
Dallas Burnett:reasons you want to move through it gracefully is because if you're leading
Dallas Burnett:people, that is going to spill over.
Dallas Burnett:And if you are
Dallas Burnett:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: said.
Dallas Burnett:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: bitter and so angry that you've lost this,
Dallas Burnett:or you can't have that, or you don't, Then that is what you're bringing to the
Dallas Burnett:table and that's what people are going to experience from you And so being able
Dallas Burnett:to move through that gracefully like you described and get to the other side It's
Dallas Burnett:not saying that things you don't have bad days and nobody's saying nobody's perfect
Dallas Burnett:But it's progressing through that and being honest with people about It just
Dallas Burnett:I think as leaders you will gain so much more respect As you're leading people
Dallas Burnett:through Your season and or your pain.
Dallas Burnett:I think that is just so important for leaders.
Dallas Burnett:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: Yeah.
Dallas Burnett:Well said.
Dallas Burnett:I love that.
Dallas Burnett:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: All right, so let's talk a little
Dallas Burnett:bit about Let's talk a little bit about some of your experiences.
Dallas Burnett:Have you've got some, stories in terms of men's transformational?
Dallas Burnett:You don't have to be specific, but have you had some stories with unravel that
Dallas Burnett:you'd like to share anything in terms of some of the progress that you've seen men
Dallas Burnett:make in their transformational process?
Dallas Burnett:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: Yeah.
Dallas Burnett:and I'm so glad you asked that because I love being reminded of how
Dallas Burnett:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Mm hmm.
Dallas Burnett:Hmm.
Dallas Burnett:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: other side of hearing these stories.
Dallas Burnett:and you hear him to Dallas with the work you're doing.
Dallas Burnett:It's just, it's so life giving man to hear stories of men and
Dallas Burnett:how their lives have been changed.
Dallas Burnett:I mean, whether it be conquering addictions, whether it be
Dallas Burnett:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Hmm.
Dallas Burnett:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: becoming a better father, a
Dallas Burnett:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Yes.
Dallas Burnett:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: a better friend, a better leader, a better look at
Dallas Burnett:one of the things I'm passionate about is men of faith in the workplace oftentimes
Dallas Burnett:don't have a reputation of excellence.
Dallas Burnett:And that drives me
Dallas Burnett:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Hmm.
Dallas Burnett:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: because if you're a person of faith
Dallas Burnett:in the workplace, people should be so drawn to you because of the work that
Dallas Burnett:you do, regardless of what it is, it should be so top notch and so excellent.
Dallas Burnett:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Yes.
Dallas Burnett:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: man, what drives you to be
Dallas Burnett:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Yes.
Dallas Burnett:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: like that?
Dallas Burnett:What's behind that?
Dallas Burnett:So that you get a chance to talk about your
Dallas Burnett:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Yes.
Dallas Burnett:Um, um, um,
Dallas Burnett:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: being the best they can be in their vocation.
Dallas Burnett:whatever it is.
Dallas Burnett:Another really cool thing that I never, and it seems, I guess it's obvious.
Dallas Burnett:I just didn't think about it early on is you wouldn't believe
Dallas Burnett:the number of stories we get in testimonials from wives, girlfriends,
Dallas Burnett:siblings, friends who are going.
Dallas Burnett:is the difference I see in my husband now and my boyfriend
Dallas Burnett:and my brother and my friend.
Dallas Burnett:It, that's been really cool to hear that side as well because you realize,
Dallas Burnett:with all the work that you do, that it's not just one person who's being
Dallas Burnett:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: I don't know.
Dallas Burnett:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: It
Dallas Burnett:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Yeah,
Dallas Burnett:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: a
Dallas Burnett:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: ripple.
Dallas Burnett:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: range of people, you know,
Dallas Burnett:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Um,
Dallas Burnett:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: that's occurring.
Dallas Burnett:So
Dallas Burnett:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: um,
Dallas Burnett:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: part is so gratifying.
Dallas Burnett:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: I love that.
Dallas Burnett:I think that's really powerful.
Dallas Burnett:and I do think that's interesting.
Dallas Burnett:Your perspective on the men of faith in occupations may
Dallas Burnett:not be known for excellence.
Dallas Burnett:Now, I think that's a, I think that's a valid, critique and I
Dallas Burnett:think it's something that we.
Dallas Burnett:as men in general, and in particular, as men of faith should be very aware
Dallas Burnett:of, especially men of faith, if you are working with purpose, I almost feel like
Dallas Burnett:if it goes back to what we were talking about earlier, if you can't be excellent
Dallas Burnett:at your job, live in the last 10%, then especially if you are espousing a faith,
Dallas Burnett:And working for something greater than yourself, then there is a serious lack
Dallas Burnett:of purpose or clarity about that purpose and why you're doing what you're doing.
Dallas Burnett:Because if you really grasp that and you really know this is what I'm made
Dallas Burnett:to do, and this is why I'm doing it, it becomes really hard to do shoddy work.
Dallas Burnett:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: Right.
Dallas Burnett:Yeah.
Dallas Burnett:It's so true.
Dallas Burnett:So true.
Dallas Burnett:It really does.
Dallas Burnett:And then people ask you, Hey, what's behind that?
Dallas Burnett:And you get to share, Hey, there's a vision, you know, a purpose that
Dallas Burnett:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Yes.
Dallas Burnett:Yes.
Dallas Burnett:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: which then leads to greater and
Dallas Burnett:more life giving conversation.
Dallas Burnett:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: A hundred percent.
Dallas Burnett:A hundred percent.
Dallas Burnett:Well, this has been fantastic.
Dallas Burnett:Thank you, Mark, for coming on the show, for being a part of this and
Dallas Burnett:just telling us about your story, how you have created this ability to have
Dallas Burnett:men get together so they can transform their lives, both personally and
Dallas Burnett:professionally, how you have worked through and Gracefully moved through
Dallas Burnett:pain and how you've come out the other side with this attitude of gratitude.
Dallas Burnett:I really think our listeners enjoyed that.
Dallas Burnett:Thank you for sharing your wisdom on that.
Dallas Burnett:Now we always ask guests on the last 10 percent to share if they have a person
Dallas Burnett:that they would like to hear on the show.
Dallas Burnett:So, is there anyone that comes to mind that you would like to
Dallas Burnett:hear as a guest on the last 10%?
Dallas Burnett:Yeah.
Dallas Burnett:Yeah.
Dallas Burnett:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: and I've grown, I've learned and
Dallas Burnett:certainly hijacking some things I've learned from time together today.
Dallas Burnett:So,
Dallas Burnett:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Use it.
Dallas Burnett:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: yeah.
Dallas Burnett:So thank you.
Dallas Burnett:there's so many people when I think about interesting people in so many different
Dallas Burnett:walks of life, that have impacted my life.
Dallas Burnett:that I would say it's one person that I think could be very interesting to have
Dallas Burnett:on your podcast is someone who's been a spiritual mentor of mine in the past,
Dallas Burnett:but who is a really creative thinker.
Dallas Burnett:is a guy named Ken Boa.
Dallas Burnett:I don't know if you're familiar with Ken or
Dallas Burnett:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Ah, Furkin, yeah, Furkin, yeah.
Dallas Burnett:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: when back in your Atlanta days, he's
Dallas Burnett:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Yes.
Dallas Burnett:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: Atlanta.
Dallas Burnett:You may have run across him or at least his
Dallas Burnett:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: Yeah.
Dallas Burnett:Ooh,
Dallas Burnett:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: wonderful, critical, creative thinker
Dallas Burnett:who has a really gift to stimulate your thinking aspects of your life that
Dallas Burnett:you've just haven't contemplated and for in ways you haven't contemplating.
Dallas Burnett:So that would be certainly one person I would recommend.
Dallas Burnett:dallas-burnett_15_05-30-2024_181701: that's awesome.
Dallas Burnett:That's very good.
Dallas Burnett:I've, I need to, we'll have to dig in and see if we can reach out to Ken
Dallas Burnett:and see that sounds like someone we would enjoy having on the last 10%.
Dallas Burnett:So that is awesome.
Dallas Burnett:Thank you for that recommendation.
Dallas Burnett:we'll reach out to Ken and see if we can get him on the show.
Dallas Burnett:See you.
Dallas Burnett:So, listen, Mark, thank you again for being on the last 10%.
Dallas Burnett:Thank you for all you do for men, for helping walk with men
Dallas Burnett:through their journeys in life and transform their lives.
Dallas Burnett:We are appreciative to you for that.
Dallas Burnett:And, thanks for being on the show.
Dallas Burnett:We'll have to have you back again sometime.
Dallas Burnett:Perfect.
Dallas Burnett:mark-jordan_1_05-30-2024_151659: you, Dallas.
Dallas Burnett:It was great, man.
Dallas Burnett:Great spending time with you.
Dallas Burnett:Thank you.
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