Danielle Burnett | Deeper Dive into the Enneagram - Cracking the Code of Enneagram Type 1

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I am Dallas Burnett in Thrive Studios, sitting in my 1905

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But more importantly, we have a great guest today.

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She is backed by Popular Demand, the Enneagram expert entrepreneur

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extraordinaire, my wife Welcome back to the show, Danielle.

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I'm very thankful to be here today.

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Thanks.

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Yes, absolutely.

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So it's been a while since we've had you on the show.

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We had a best of episode last.

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Last December, I think you were on, and we did some Enneagrams talks last year.

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So we have decided that it was time to start jumping into the Enneagram

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in more detail and start and start helping get that information out

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to our listeners because there's something that's happened since the

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last time that you were on the shows.

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big change number.

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Actually two things, as it relates to the Enneagram.

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So number one, We actually added, you actually added a whole new section

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to our Enneagram assessments about how the Enneagram, how you can use

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the Enneagram on teams at work.

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So we dropped back and we said, how can we make this better for our listeners

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and for our audience and for the think move thrive, for the think move, thrive

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folks that are looking at the Enneagram and downloading these assessments.

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And one of the things that we found and heard about is could

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we differentiate ourselves in this Enneagram by giving that.

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Two.

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So that's the first thing is that we added a whole new section to the Enneagram

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assessment report when you get it.

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The second thing is, now this is even bigger, is that they're completely free.

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Now, you don't just get the, you just don't get the little

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summary page at the end.

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When you take the assessment on think move thrive.com.

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When you take your Enneagram, you get the whole thing.

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You get the whole thing.

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That's pretty amazing.

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Yeah.

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It's, yeah.

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happened.

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but what we wanna do is today, and I, and this is why we have you on the

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show, and we are excited about that, is we want to talk about, we wanna start

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unpacking each type, and we want to just have a show dedicated to each type.

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And so today, I think we wanna start at the beginning.

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Let's start with the, let's start with Enneagram type one.

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Can you tell our listeners about the Enneagram one, type

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in just everyday layman terms.

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Sure.

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if anyone's new to the show and they've really not heard about the Enneagram,

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it's simply a tool that you can use to uncover, yes, your personality,

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strengths, weaknesses, things like that.

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But it really uncovers your motivations.

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Some things that maybe lie below the surface for you and,

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If not you, your coworker, your spouse, your friend, even your children.

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So I see.

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I think it's a great tool.

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It's a great tool for self-awareness.

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And yeah, Dallas, you and I have found that this is great.

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In teams, in companies to just get teams to work better, more closely,

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kind of understand each other better.

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so, sure.

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Yeah.

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I'm excited to talk about this type one, and there's just so much to say about the

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type one and in fact, one of our children kind of leans towards some of these things

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that's included in type one, so I'm sure we'll talk about some of those and put

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some examples into some of these words.

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But essentially in our report, and if you Google the Enneagram,

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you'll find that a couple words.

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Will come up for each type.

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So I'll just start with that.

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So a couple of the words that we thought resonated when we think about this

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person who's the type one is a moralist.

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And when I think of that, I think of the person who really has a

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right and wrong and strong ethics surrounding what's right, what's wrong.

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And I would even go further to say is that they really stand upon.

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Making things right.

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Doing things right.

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and that comes down to even in, even in the way they're dressed

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and, even make sure that their car's clean and things like that.

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it's just that rightness, for that person.

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So more or less, another word would be reformer, perfectionist.

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You could use that.

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Sometimes that has a negative connotation, a perfectionist.

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But I think if you're a type one, It doesn't have to be a bad thing

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that you're a perfectionist.

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I think you going back to that moral concept and idea.

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It just means that you want things done right and there's really strength in that.

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and then the last one that I would use to describe the type one is an improver.

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And I have some friends who are type one, and I have seen this through and

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through where a type one will see some kind of need in a friend or a family

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member or a child, and they will really rally around that person to a high

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level, to a high degree, and they will.

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Champion the calls, they'll, whatever needs to be done, they're the first

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to say, this needs to be done.

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We're gonna improve this situation.

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so I really, all the types in the Enneagram are wonderful, but this is

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also just, it is just a wonderful type.

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And so I wanna applaud all the ones out there.

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If you're listening, you're a type one, you're gonna learn a

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lot about yourself as we just move through this, this information.

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but also, maybe you're not a type one, maybe your teammate at work or.

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Your boss or your child, or your friend or your spouse is a type one.

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So hopefully through the things we talk about, you can learn a little

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bit more about that type of a person.

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Yeah, I think that is fantastic.

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And I, it's interesting to me because, I think with any assessment,

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and I'm an as, I'm gonna, I'm a, I'm an assessment junkie.

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I've, we've both taken.

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A tremendous amount of assessments.

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I'm seeing 'em all.

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But one of the things I think is interesting, and some people may get

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turned off about assessments is they feel like they are put in a box.

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So when we describe, a number one Enneagram, I know you feel strongly about

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this, so how would you frame that for people who are like, I don't want to, I

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don't wanna know about this Enneagram?

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'cause I'm not just a, perfectionist, like if that there's a negative connotation.

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some people would have that word.

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How would you frame that up for people and why the Enneagram would be

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important, and even though there's, there is some labels there, how do

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you frame and capture that idea?

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I think that's a great question.

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So the Enneagram really doesn't really put you in a box because there's all

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these wild words and if you take our assessment, we go through what they mean.

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But essentially, if you come up and you answer the questions on our

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assessment or any assessment online, I.

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You are a type one.

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What you'll find is that your dominant type would be type one, but then on

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either side of that Enneagram circle, you might lean a little to this, the type

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to the left, or you might lean a little bit to the type to the right and so on.

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For the type one.

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For instance, there's the two on the one side and then the nine on the other side.

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so I'll just, for an example, one of our daughters, I'm pretty sure

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she's like really a type two, maybe leaning towards the one, or she might

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be a type one, leaning towards a two.

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But all that to say, there's just so much flexibility with any within the Enneagram.

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Because it doesn't say every type one is going to be a certain way.

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It just suggests these are some characteristics, these are some strengths.

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These are also some things to watch out for.

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You could call them weaknesses, but just things to be aware of with each type.

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So I.

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I think that it doesn't put you in a box really.

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And then there's this other concept, where it talks about wings and arrows

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and when you're in strength, they'll move it to a type seven, and then in

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stress they'll move to a type four.

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So really just having an awareness of those types also will help a

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number one figure out like, oh, I am really doing well in my life.

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Because I'm adapting to this set.

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You know, bringing in the seven personality and what a seven

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brings to a one is a lot of spontaneity, a lot of flexibility.

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So anyways, we'll get more into that.

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but back to your original question, there is so much flexibility in the

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Enneagram and I don't think that I.

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Anyone, when they start studying their type, I don't think

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they'll feel put in a box at all.

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I really think that light bulbs will go off and they'll think, man, I'm

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learning so much about myself and that's true of me, and that's true of me.

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And I think that's the hope.

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you can take any test and it can come back as whatever the result is,

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but really the best tool for you.

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Maybe you shouldn't even take the test.

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Maybe you should just read about the types.

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And I've heard people say that about the Enneagram because when you read the type.

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That resonates with you.

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You will know it and you'll go, oh my goodness, I am

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that is true.

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And that's how it worked for me.

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And I think that's how it worked for you too.

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And then there's these like weird little nuances with each type that

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you're like, Ooh, that is so weird that they pegged me that way.

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I think that's interesting that you point that out.

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is that the Enneagram is assigning types, but not necessarily labels

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and because each type has so many different facets to it, I've worked

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with a lot of number ones on the Enneagram and they're totally different.

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like you, if you didn't know they were number one, it would be like, wow.

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how do I quantify this?

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'cause these people are acting to them, but there's the healthy and unhealthy

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versions of those, are under stress and, and thriving versions of those.

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and then there's the wings that they kinda lean one way or another.

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So you can have, you can.

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You can see this person and they could be a number one.

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And what I think it's really interesting is it really gets down to your

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core drives or core fear, right?

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There's this, there's these things that are very important to you and they're

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just gonna come out and manifest and stuff because you are who you are and.

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And you've had the experiences that you've had and you're made

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a certain way, and there's these core things that you're driven by.

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And you can be driven in a positive way, or you can be driven in a negative way.

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You can be more flexible, you can be that.

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And so I think that's really cool.

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So let's talk about, let's talk about number ones as they are in an, in a

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business environment, if they're healthy.

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Number ones, what do they, what does that look like?

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Okay.

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That's a great question.

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They're orderly.

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They're going to be self-disciplined, so when they come into work, they're

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gonna know what they need to do.

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They're gonna do it.

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It goes back to that idea of being.

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An improver, a reformer, and even being a more or less, they're very

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principled in what they're gonna do.

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They also were very fair, with employees, you could even call it rightness, this

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idea for rightness, that can come across as critical in some situations because

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they're really striving for things to be principled, for things to be orderly,

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for things to be planned out detailed, because that's just how they are.

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That's what's what they bring to the table.

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And I'll give a quick example of that.

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we have somewhat of a family band and we'll play together, out

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at different things and events

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Or you're telling all kind of secrets.

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Now you're

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Yeah,

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secrets.

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Now this is going out over the world.

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Be careful.

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Yeah, one of our daughters will get really,

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I'm not sure the word to say, but she'll get really aware.

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That's nicely putting it.

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If we accidentally Dallas, her eye or one of the other girls, change

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the key of the song and she's

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Which I am notorious for doing.

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That is a half step up or that is a half step down.

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And so what she brings to us is really beautiful.

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She's very detail oriented.

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She remembers all the words to all the songs, and.

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that is

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She brings that, like she's, and another word I could

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use is very reliable, like she'll say, that's not quite right, but

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she knows it's not quite right.

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And so I think the negative side of that could be that she might look at

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us and say, oh, these terrible human beings, they never get it right.

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You know?

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And she might do that, but she doesn't actually verbalize that.

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So in a healthy way, she's just, Pointing it out.

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So like back to your question on a team, this person is very reliable to point

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out any kind of variances flaws where things are, not held up to the level or

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the standard that they're supposed to be.

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And in a negative way that person, that's the one type could find

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themselves very aggravated.

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if they're on a team of all these people who are, out of the box

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thinkers and they're not quite.

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As principled and not quite as, I would even use the word rigid

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about things being just right.

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So that, anyways, the negative side could be that the criticalness comes through.

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Yeah, I've had that experience with number ones.

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I had, a number one as a manager in, a company.

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And that person was was just so quick to be honest with me about a

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policy change, if we're wanting to implement this or if we needed to

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implement something or if there was a process that wasn't working right.

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it was.

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It was like as soon as she was promoted to that position, it was

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like, immediately she just came and said, can I change these things?

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'cause they're driving me crazy.

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these, this is all the things that we need.

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And it was unbelievable how they were actually right.

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It was, it was true.

Dallas Burnett: 00:15:26

And yet that team had lived with that for so long that they were okay with it.

Dallas Burnett: 00:15:31

But she could see all those things.

Dallas Burnett: 00:15:34

She was very respectful in her approach to that.

Dallas Burnett: 00:15:37

Just very open and like, Hey, if you've got a problem with this, let me know, but

Dallas Burnett: 00:15:40

I see these are the issues that we have.

Dallas Burnett: 00:15:42

And then also with some policy stuff, it's we need to do this for this person.

Dallas Burnett: 00:15:46

she was absolutely a rockstar at recognizing people on their birthday

Dallas Burnett: 00:15:50

and making sure they felt cared for And there was a, there was a right way

Dallas Burnett: 00:15:54

to do that, and this is the right way, and it wasn't too much and it wasn't

Dallas Burnett: 00:15:57

too little, and it was just right.

Dallas Burnett: 00:15:59

And so if you've got somebody on your team that is that person

Dallas Burnett: 00:16:02

that's constantly coming to you and saying, Hey, we need to do this.

Dallas Burnett: 00:16:05

this is good.

Dallas Burnett: 00:16:06

They have an opinion.

Dallas Burnett: 00:16:07

I think number one's, they have an opinion about

Danielle Burnett: 00:16:09

They do.

Danielle Burnett: 00:16:10

You're right.

Dallas Burnett: 00:16:10

the right way.

Dallas Burnett: 00:16:11

And so if you've got somebody with an opinion, then you may have a

Dallas Burnett: 00:16:15

number one that you're working with

Danielle Burnett: 00:16:16

It's great.

Danielle Burnett: 00:16:17

Yeah.

Danielle Burnett: 00:16:17

I think, and I, what comes to mind Dallas when you're saying that, and I love

Danielle Burnett: 00:16:20

that example, is if you are a manager or even a teammate of this person, ask

Danielle Burnett: 00:16:25

yourself, is this person improving the environment, the policies, the, like,

Danielle Burnett: 00:16:30

even, acknowledging the birthdays, like are they improving the environment

Danielle Burnett: 00:16:33

Because that could be a telltale sign.

Danielle Burnett: 00:16:35

Like they're geared to improve, like they're geared to see things in a

Danielle Burnett: 00:16:39

detailed way that could be bettered.

Danielle Burnett: 00:16:43

They'll, and they'll do that.

Danielle Burnett: 00:16:44

They'll bring that energy to your team and that's a really great, that's a

Danielle Burnett: 00:16:48

really great quality of somebody to

Dallas Burnett: 00:16:49

Now I've, yeah, I've gotta say this though.

Dallas Burnett: 00:16:51

On the flip side, I've had, it's not the same person, different

Dallas Burnett: 00:16:54

person I've worked with in the past.

Dallas Burnett: 00:16:55

That's also a number one.

Dallas Burnett: 00:16:57

And they were super detail oriented, which is not necessarily, it's, it can be a

Dallas Burnett: 00:17:01

trait, but not necessarily, but they were so perfection driven and detail oriented

Dallas Burnett: 00:17:07

that it drove them to a place of being hypercritical and their productivity.

Dallas Burnett: 00:17:13

Suffered tremendously.

Dallas Burnett: 00:17:15

So they, it's almost like they could not get their work done unless everything

Dallas Burnett: 00:17:20

was perfect and because nothing is ever perfect, they're, they could, it's almost

Dallas Burnett: 00:17:25

like they couldn't function and get their.

Dallas Burnett: 00:17:27

Core job, their core job done, and they were real negative and the

Dallas Burnett: 00:17:32

whole team kinda suffered from it because they were quick to point out

Dallas Burnett: 00:17:35

flaws and mistakes and they weren't necessarily making things better.

Dallas Burnett: 00:17:39

it was a negative energy on the team.

Dallas Burnett: 00:17:41

So let's talk about that a little bit.

Dallas Burnett: 00:17:44

As a number one.

Dallas Burnett: 00:17:44

What is a number one that may not be healthy look like and what,

Dallas Burnett: 00:17:48

how's that gonna play out on a team?

Danielle Burnett: 00:17:50

Well, that's a great question.

Danielle Burnett: 00:17:51

So going back to this terminology that we use in the Enneagram, an arrow

Danielle Burnett: 00:17:56

is essentially, when you look at the Enneagram circle, it suggests where, One

Danielle Burnett: 00:18:02

type will move and they'll take on some negative characteristics of another type.

Danielle Burnett: 00:18:08

And so for the number one type, they move to the four and the four, just to give you

Danielle Burnett: 00:18:13

a little synopsis, is like very unique.

Danielle Burnett: 00:18:16

They're sort of an individualist.

Danielle Burnett: 00:18:17

They.

Danielle Burnett: 00:18:18

want to stand out like they're the person who has like an amazingly unique

Danielle Burnett: 00:18:23

outfit, or shoes or something like that.

Danielle Burnett: 00:18:25

I mean, not always, but that just kind of comes to mind as a stereotype

Danielle Burnett: 00:18:27

of that type in a negative way.

Danielle Burnett: 00:18:30

So one might take on these characteristics.

Danielle Burnett: 00:18:32

They can be very emotional when they're not healthy.

Danielle Burnett: 00:18:35

A four.

Danielle Burnett: 00:18:36

And so normally a number one is very put together in, in a healthy place

Danielle Burnett: 00:18:42

when they're in a healthy place.

Danielle Burnett: 00:18:44

They are not very emotional.

Danielle Burnett: 00:18:46

They're not really barky.

Danielle Burnett: 00:18:48

They're not really overtly angry.

Danielle Burnett: 00:18:51

They, if they are, they wouldn't show it.

Danielle Burnett: 00:18:53

I.

Danielle Burnett: 00:18:53

But when they're in an unhealthy place, maybe there's so much

Danielle Burnett: 00:18:57

stress placed upon them.

Danielle Burnett: 00:18:59

Maybe it's an external thing or maybe it's an internal thing of the thing you

Danielle Burnett: 00:19:04

were just describing, like maybe they're feeling I'm not good enough, like I need

Danielle Burnett: 00:19:09

to improve myself and I can't measure up.

Danielle Burnett: 00:19:12

Maybe I can't live up to the perfection that I've set for myself.

Danielle Burnett: 00:19:17

And so if that happens in this type, then that's really shattering.

Danielle Burnett: 00:19:21

Because they are so geared towards improvement and perfection and

Danielle Burnett: 00:19:25

everything being just right.

Danielle Burnett: 00:19:26

And so when that happens, this type one in this real stressful place can feel

Danielle Burnett: 00:19:32

like the world's turned upside down.

Danielle Burnett: 00:19:35

They usually wouldn't cry, but you might find them crying, other types

Danielle Burnett: 00:19:38

cry all the time, but this type typically doesn't cry that often.

Danielle Burnett: 00:19:42

But when their world's turned upside down and they're stressed out, and

Danielle Burnett: 00:19:45

they could use the word overwhelmed.

Danielle Burnett: 00:19:47

They just feel like nobody sees me, you know?

Danielle Burnett: 00:19:51

And then also a characteristic of this type one type in this stressful

Danielle Burnett: 00:19:55

place is that they'll start blaming.

Danielle Burnett: 00:19:57

They'll start saying oh, this was this person's fault in my upbringing, or, oh,

Danielle Burnett: 00:20:01

this is this person's fault in my team.

Danielle Burnett: 00:20:05

And so what does that do in that stressful place for this number

Danielle Burnett: 00:20:08

one, it makes everybody around them.

Danielle Burnett: 00:20:11

Not really wanna help.

Danielle Burnett: 00:20:13

it becomes like a real rigid walking on eggshells kind of environment.

Danielle Burnett: 00:20:19

And you just see that number one who's unhealthy, like really spiraling because

Danielle Burnett: 00:20:23

nobody wants to come in and help 'em.

Dallas Burnett: 00:20:25

Yeah.

Dallas Burnett: 00:20:26

No, that's, well what, what's interesting to me, That you say that?

Dallas Burnett: 00:20:30

it is, when I think about that on the number one side, I've

Dallas Burnett: 00:20:33

never really thought about that.

Dallas Burnett: 00:20:33

I can understand the drive for perfection and improving and reforming,

Dallas Burnett: 00:20:39

and I can understand how that could go to an unhealthy extreme.

Dallas Burnett: 00:20:43

So if you are driven to perfection, to the point where you're just

Dallas Burnett: 00:20:46

driving everybody crazy because you just, you are trying to make things

Dallas Burnett: 00:20:50

perfect instead of making them better.

Dallas Burnett: 00:20:52

Right then I can see how that is a problem, but I've never really thought

Dallas Burnett: 00:20:56

about it as it relates to yourself in that your own personal standards are so

Dallas Burnett: 00:21:02

high for yourself that it's almost like you can't even meet them in a way that

Dallas Burnett: 00:21:07

allows you to function or you have this guilt and shame associated with that.

Dallas Burnett: 00:21:12

and or you can't accept that.

Dallas Burnett: 00:21:14

So you're putting the blame on other people, and I think that's an interesting.

Dallas Burnett: 00:21:17

I've just never really thought about that as it relates to

Dallas Burnett: 00:21:19

number ones in an unhealthy way.

Dallas Burnett: 00:21:21

And and so if you're

Dallas Burnett: 00:21:22

on a team that, that would make sense.

Danielle Burnett: 00:21:24

yeah, it would, and some things that I would recommend

Danielle Burnett: 00:21:27

for really any type, but particularly this type, when they find themselves

Danielle Burnett: 00:21:31

in that low stressful place.

Danielle Burnett: 00:21:33

'cause that's a very lonely place and it's kinda like you throw your hands up

Danielle Burnett: 00:21:35

and you're like, I don't know what to do.

Danielle Burnett: 00:21:37

I think journaling is super helpful in saying, this is what I have

Danielle Burnett: 00:21:41

set for myself as a standard.

Danielle Burnett: 00:21:44

Just seeing that is super helpful because then you can make sense of it.

Danielle Burnett: 00:21:48

But sometimes when things are coming in our thought life so quickly, they're

Danielle Burnett: 00:21:52

hard to slow down those thoughts.

Danielle Burnett: 00:21:54

And so looking at that in a journal and then writing out

Danielle Burnett: 00:21:57

underneath the, underneath that statement, is that reasonable?

Danielle Burnett: 00:22:00

am I putting too much on myself?

Danielle Burnett: 00:22:02

You know that helps you see maybe you are being a little hard on yourself.

Danielle Burnett: 00:22:06

some other things that I think are helpful for a type one is

Danielle Burnett: 00:22:09

meditating on positive statements.

Danielle Burnett: 00:22:12

And so in our report we have some of those versus different quotes, just so that

Danielle Burnett: 00:22:16

you can tell yourself, I am enough and.

Danielle Burnett: 00:22:20

I don't have to be this certain thing, or do this certain thing

Danielle Burnett: 00:22:25

like I'm enough right now.

Danielle Burnett: 00:22:26

because I think this constant strive for perfection, it can

Danielle Burnett: 00:22:30

be just really exhausting.

Danielle Burnett: 00:22:31

And so to take the kind of idea of a number one to another place, Dallas, I

Danielle Burnett: 00:22:35

don't wanna miss out on the strengths of a very healthy and a secure, number one.

Dallas Burnett: 00:22:40

Yeah,

Danielle Burnett: 00:22:41

number one, and this is interesting.

Danielle Burnett: 00:22:42

So in the unhealthy place, the one will move to a four, but in a very healthy.

Danielle Burnett: 00:22:47

Great place.

Danielle Burnett: 00:22:48

A number one will move to a type seven, A type seven's real spontaneous.

Danielle Burnett: 00:22:52

They're real, life of the party, like real fun, like real jovial,

Danielle Burnett: 00:22:56

laughing, a lot adventurous.

Danielle Burnett: 00:22:58

That's a type seven.

Danielle Burnett: 00:22:59

So when you think of a type one, you don't normally think type seven.

Danielle Burnett: 00:23:03

But what I would submit is in this idea of an arrow that when a type one takes

Danielle Burnett: 00:23:09

on some of those characteristics of.

Danielle Burnett: 00:23:12

Adventure, spontaneity, you know, laying back in the chair and laughing.

Danielle Burnett: 00:23:17

just kind of like a little bit more flexibility.

Danielle Burnett: 00:23:20

Then that number one, within their own self becomes more at peace because

Danielle Burnett: 00:23:26

they're able to lessen their standards.

Danielle Burnett: 00:23:29

I'm not trying to say they're not moral anymore, they're just

Danielle Burnett: 00:23:32

lessening that internal, quota

Dallas Burnett: 00:23:36

a, they let, they, as we say, they give it

Dallas Burnett: 00:23:38

a little wiggle room, right?

Dallas Burnett: 00:23:39

they have a little bit of space there, a little bit of margin.

Dallas Burnett: 00:23:42

I think that's really good because it just, the flexibility, it

Dallas Burnett: 00:23:45

takes out the rigidity and I think it, it would help the one I.

Dallas Burnett: 00:23:50

Be more able to cope because things if it, if you're, if you have to

Dallas Burnett: 00:23:55

have it perfect and there's no flexibility in that and life is just

Dallas Burnett: 00:23:59

not perfect, then that is a hard.

Dallas Burnett: 00:24:02

That's a hard thing.

Dallas Burnett: 00:24:03

You because you're just gonna be constantly defeated or pushing against,

Dallas Burnett: 00:24:06

something that's the immovable object.

Dallas Burnett: 00:24:08

So I feel like that having that flexibility that with a seven would just,

Dallas Burnett: 00:24:12

it would allow you to just kind of, I don't know, be more free, be more free

Dallas Burnett: 00:24:17

to be your, be the improver, but know when to be like, That's good enough.

Dallas Burnett: 00:24:23

This is good.

Dallas Burnett: 00:24:23

We can make this work.

Dallas Burnett: 00:24:24

Right.

Dallas Burnett: 00:24:25

So I think that's really good.

Dallas Burnett: 00:24:26

I also like how you said that there, there's some little tricks and tips there.

Dallas Burnett: 00:24:30

if you're number one and you find yourself in an unhealthy space, we

Dallas Burnett: 00:24:35

want to get you to where we, we need you on a team to bring your best.

Dallas Burnett: 00:24:39

And we, you have so many gifts and talents that you can bring to a team.

Dallas Burnett: 00:24:42

I love how you, you, you said that , it's something as simple as just meditating on.

Dallas Burnett: 00:24:48

positive things and positive ideas and those affirmations, those meditative

Dallas Burnett: 00:24:53

statements and really checking in your beliefs and what are, what is that,

Dallas Burnett: 00:24:58

what's that going off in your head?

Dallas Burnett: 00:24:59

What's that loop telling you?

Dallas Burnett: 00:25:00

What are you what that self-talk and then journaling just to get that out on paper.

Dallas Burnett: 00:25:05

I thought that was a really good statement for number one.

Danielle Burnett: 00:25:08

Yeah, I think that, oh, I was just gonna say is a tack on.

Danielle Burnett: 00:25:11

I'll just go ahead and give some that come to mind, as an affirmation or a verse

Danielle Burnett: 00:25:16

of some encouragement that a number one could meditate on, even write it down and

Danielle Burnett: 00:25:20

journal upon it, and then think about it, but, One would be from Ephesian that says,

Danielle Burnett: 00:25:25

get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger.

Danielle Burnett: 00:25:26

Be kind and compassionate to one another.

Danielle Burnett: 00:25:28

And what I would submit to a number one type is that they need to be kind

Danielle Burnett: 00:25:32

and compassionate to themselves, first.

Danielle Burnett: 00:25:34

And so getting rid of.

Danielle Burnett: 00:25:37

The idea of in this verse why I think it's appropriate, it's like

Danielle Burnett: 00:25:40

getting rid of all criticalness for yourself, for your family member.

Danielle Burnett: 00:25:44

if somebody doesn't do, let's say, make up the bed quite right, just let it go.

Danielle Burnett: 00:25:49

think about a seven, just be a little bit more fluid, a little bit more

Danielle Burnett: 00:25:52

flexible, and just be like, oh, at least they tried, get, and so don't

Danielle Burnett: 00:25:55

let it, like this verse says, get rid of all bitterness, rage, and anger.

Danielle Burnett: 00:25:57

don't let that, standard of perfection, like, Get you angry, right?

Danielle Burnett: 00:26:02

Just be be thankful, ponder the thankful thing, and be kind and compassionate,

Danielle Burnett: 00:26:07

to yourself and to one another.

Danielle Burnett: 00:26:08

I really like that.

Danielle Burnett: 00:26:09

I think that would be something that, this type would really benefit from just

Danielle Burnett: 00:26:14

a daily kind of think that through and even put it on their mirror and kind

Danielle Burnett: 00:26:17

of ponder that as each day goes by.

Dallas Burnett: 00:26:20

that's a good point.

Dallas Burnett: 00:26:21

That's a good point.

Dallas Burnett: 00:26:21

Now I wanna move this over to a coach.

Dallas Burnett: 00:26:26

And so in our report we have some the, in fact it's towards the end.

Dallas Burnett: 00:26:31

There are superpowers that the number one, each type has superpowers, but

Dallas Burnett: 00:26:34

there's specific superpowers that the number one has as it relates to coaching.

Dallas Burnett: 00:26:38

Now we are passionate about coaching and the one-on-one coaching system, and we

Dallas Burnett: 00:26:42

want to help teams empower, their leaders.

Dallas Burnett: 00:26:46

To become leader coaches and develop everybody in their organization, whether

Dallas Burnett: 00:26:50

that's a nonprofit or whether that's a for-profit, large organization, small

Dallas Burnett: 00:26:54

organization, big team, little team.

Dallas Burnett: 00:26:56

We want you to in integrate coaching and development into that.

Dallas Burnett: 00:26:59

And so what are some of the cool superpowers that the number one

Dallas Burnett: 00:27:04

would have as it relates to if they were developing and coaching you?

Dallas Burnett: 00:27:08

If you're being led by a healthy number one, what would you expect to see?

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:14

I love that question.

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:15

They would be very attentive to detail.

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:18

So when they were sitting in front of, or being around an employee that they might

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:22

be coaching, they would notice things.

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:24

They would notice, Hmm, is this employee happy or they're not, or

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:28

are they doing their job or they not?

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:30

they would just be really keen to.

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:33

To cue in on.

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:35

The employee's temperament.

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:37

even maybe you know some things that might be going on outside

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:40

of the scope of their work.

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:42

'cause they're just so intent on thinking about the details.

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:45

And then another thing is this, number one has high standards.

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:49

So if they notice an employee, Or someone they're coaching has the ability to

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:54

move up or improve a number one coach.

Danielle Burnett: 00:27:58

They're gonna quickly be able to identify that and they're gonna be

Danielle Burnett: 00:28:01

able to help say, Hey, if I were using myself as an example, they might say,

Danielle Burnett: 00:28:04

Hey Danielle, I think if you were a little more organized, you might

Danielle Burnett: 00:28:09

be able to reach the goal of being.

Danielle Burnett: 00:28:12

Whatever the next step is in the company.

Danielle Burnett: 00:28:14

And most of the time that number one is gonna be able to see quickly what that is.

Danielle Burnett: 00:28:19

They're gonna be able to identify that and they would want to help walk hand

Danielle Burnett: 00:28:23

in hand with that employee to get to that better place, to meet their goals.

Danielle Burnett: 00:28:27

and I really like that.

Danielle Burnett: 00:28:28

I think that's a great superpower of this type.

Danielle Burnett: 00:28:30

And then lastly, they always wanna improve.

Danielle Burnett: 00:28:33

They wanna have continuous improvement.

Danielle Burnett: 00:28:36

in learning and in developing their self and in developing their team.

Danielle Burnett: 00:28:41

So I think, this type one, would want to look outside of their organization.

Danielle Burnett: 00:28:46

And so they might go, they might come back and say, Hey, we need to

Danielle Burnett: 00:28:50

invest in this leadership training and we might need to invest in, this

Danielle Burnett: 00:28:54

new technology so that we can have continuous improvement in our team.

Danielle Burnett: 00:28:57

And so I, I truly think that this type is a wonderful person to have on your team.

Danielle Burnett: 00:29:02

Whether they be the one being coached or the coach themselves,

Dallas Burnett: 00:29:06

All right.

Dallas Burnett: 00:29:06

You talk about development.

Dallas Burnett: 00:29:08

That's a great point.

Dallas Burnett: 00:29:09

And if they like being developed and continuous improvement, what would be

Dallas Burnett: 00:29:15

an example of a book, or a category of books that you would recommend if you are.

Dallas Burnett: 00:29:21

Number one on the Enneagram, what is Danielle's recommendation for something

Dallas Burnett: 00:29:26

you should be reading to develop if you, want to improve and move into more

Dallas Burnett: 00:29:31

of that healthy space of a number one?

Danielle Burnett: 00:29:33

That's a good question.

Danielle Burnett: 00:29:36

Wow.

Dallas Burnett: 00:29:37

my thoughts.

Dallas Burnett: 00:29:38

I've got

Danielle Burnett: 00:29:38

Oh, okay.

Danielle Burnett: 00:29:39

the first, to be honest, the first thing that came to mind.

Danielle Burnett: 00:29:42

This is counterintuitive, but the book Fish, I really like

Dallas Burnett: 00:29:46

Ooh, that's a good one.

Danielle Burnett: 00:29:48

Well, the reason I would choose it, and it came top of mind.

Danielle Burnett: 00:29:51

I probably have other ones and you might have others that would be a beautiful

Danielle Burnett: 00:29:55

book choice for this type, but the reason I choose that one is because sometimes.

Danielle Burnett: 00:30:01

this type one can get so rigid and down in the details because

Danielle Burnett: 00:30:05

that's their strength, right?

Danielle Burnett: 00:30:06

Like you said, that's their superpower.

Danielle Burnett: 00:30:08

You can get so enmeshed into that, that it's hard to come up for air.

Danielle Burnett: 00:30:13

And so what fish does is it shows you need to have fun at work.

Dallas Burnett: 00:30:18

Yeah.

Dallas Burnett: 00:30:18

Yeah.

Danielle Burnett: 00:30:19

like that.

Danielle Burnett: 00:30:19

And not only can you be productive and you can improve the environment

Danielle Burnett: 00:30:23

and do all great things in your work, but you can have a lot of fun.

Danielle Burnett: 00:30:27

And I think that when we talk about the type one, when they go to that seven

Danielle Burnett: 00:30:30

type, when they're most healthy, and I've called it jokingly, called it like the

Danielle Burnett: 00:30:33

one is in seventh heaven or whatever, when they're embracing flexibility

Danielle Burnett: 00:30:36

and spontaneousness, I think that fish brings all of that to the type one.

Danielle Burnett: 00:30:41

So I would recommend

Dallas Burnett: 00:30:42

Ah, that's a, that's a better recommendation.

Dallas Burnett: 00:30:45

See, I was so bored

Danielle Burnett: 00:30:46

the top of my head there.

Dallas Burnett: 00:30:47

Yeah, that's really good.

Dallas Burnett: 00:30:48

And so just for the listeners that have never read Fish before,

Dallas Burnett: 00:30:51

it's called the Fish Philosophy.

Dallas Burnett: 00:30:53

And essentially it is a, if you've ever gone to, I think it's Pikes

Dallas Burnett: 00:30:57

Seafood out in or fish market Pikes.

Dallas Burnett: 00:31:00

Fish Market out Seattle, Pikes, Seattle Fish Market.

Dallas Burnett: 00:31:03

Anyway, it's this

Danielle Burnett: 00:31:04

that needs to be bucket list.

Dallas Burnett: 00:31:06

I know we need to put that on the list, but they,

Dallas Burnett: 00:31:08

but you go there and they, this is like the open market where they're

Dallas Burnett: 00:31:11

throwing fish that's just come off the boat and everybody, it's a scene.

Dallas Burnett: 00:31:15

They're, like walking around chasing kids with like dead octopuses and

Dallas Burnett: 00:31:17

stuff on these videos, and it's crazy.

Dallas Burnett: 00:31:19

I mean, they, one thing they do is they have a lot of fun and if you can, and

Dallas Burnett: 00:31:22

you can just see that everybody there really enjoys their job and they're.

Dallas Burnett: 00:31:27

Chopping up dead fish every day for a living.

Dallas Burnett: 00:31:29

And so if you can sit there and smell like a dead fish and love your work, I think

Dallas Burnett: 00:31:32

their whole thing is how do you do that?

Dallas Burnett: 00:31:34

How do you build a culture like that?

Dallas Burnett: 00:31:36

And, it's a great book and it's great because it's, a little business fable

Dallas Burnett: 00:31:39

and it's easy to read and easy to digest.

Dallas Burnett: 00:31:41

But I think that, to your point, actually, I love that.

Dallas Burnett: 00:31:44

I love

Danielle Burnett: 00:31:45

Yeah, I love it

Dallas Burnett: 00:31:46

but for a number one,

Danielle Burnett: 00:31:47

it, I'm like, that was a good answer, Danielle,

Dallas Burnett: 00:31:49

it really was, you know, and yeah.

Dallas Burnett: 00:31:53

Yeah, no.

Dallas Burnett: 00:31:54

Well, and it resonates because one of their, one of their main points

Dallas Burnett: 00:31:57

is to make their day, make their day, have fun, choose your attitude.

Dallas Burnett: 00:32:00

All those are just right down the center line of what we're

Dallas Burnett: 00:32:05

talking about for number

Danielle Burnett: 00:32:06

And really what

Dallas Burnett: 00:32:07

totally win the, you totally win the book award.

Dallas Burnett: 00:32:09

You totally

Danielle Burnett: 00:32:10

thank you.

Danielle Burnett: 00:32:10

I should get some

Dallas Burnett: 00:32:11

ah, it's tough when you're number one.

Danielle Burnett: 00:32:14

off, I think that when a number one uses all their

Danielle Burnett: 00:32:17

superpowers and couples it, with all of those things, those philosophies

Danielle Burnett: 00:32:21

that Fish suggests, I think they.

Danielle Burnett: 00:32:25

Can't be beat.

Danielle Burnett: 00:32:26

Like I just think that is the perfect combination of making people's day, but

Danielle Burnett: 00:32:31

yet holding the standard, and anyway.

Danielle Burnett: 00:32:33

I love it.

Danielle Burnett: 00:32:33

what was your

Dallas Burnett: 00:32:34

I can, I don't even know.

Dallas Burnett: 00:32:35

I don't even think that, I don't even think I can share mine now.

Dallas Burnett: 00:32:38

It's it is such a, it's not even.

Dallas Burnett: 00:32:40

it's so second place.

Dallas Burnett: 00:32:41

I don't even think I can, I don't even feel good about it.

Dallas Burnett: 00:32:43

Now I feel actually, I feel pretty insecure about it.

Dallas Burnett: 00:32:45

I will say this, I will say this as I'm a number seven, as you can attest, and

Dallas Burnett: 00:32:50

I would say that on one side, I think unhealthy number ones probably are a part

Dallas Burnett: 00:32:56

of a handful of ones on the Enneagram I struggle with the most as a leader is

Dallas Burnett: 00:32:59

just that's that whole sandpaper thing.

Dallas Burnett: 00:33:01

It just, or like fingers on chalkboard, it's like, ooh.

Danielle Burnett: 00:33:05

Probably the rigidity, right?

Danielle Burnett: 00:33:06

Would you say Dallas?

Dallas Burnett: 00:33:07

Yes.

Dallas Burnett: 00:33:08

Ho, ho, ho, ho, ho.

Danielle Burnett: 00:33:10

very black and white, very rigid.

Dallas Burnett: 00:33:13

Killing me.

Dallas Burnett: 00:33:14

Killing me.

Dallas Burnett: 00:33:14

And really it really st.

Dallas Burnett: 00:33:16

Str, it just struggle for me.

Dallas Burnett: 00:33:17

I'm on the struggle bus with that.

Dallas Burnett: 00:33:18

However, what I would say is a healthy number one turns out to be one of the

Dallas Burnett: 00:33:23

most refreshing people that I work with.

Dallas Burnett: 00:33:26

Because they're so attentive to detail, they catch all the stuff that I run.

Dallas Burnett: 00:33:30

I just completely blow by and don't think

Danielle Burnett: 00:33:33

Would you say they're very responsible and reliable?

Danielle Burnett: 00:33:35

I

Dallas Burnett: 00:33:36

Yeah.

Dallas Burnett: 00:33:36

Yes.

Dallas Burnett: 00:33:37

Yes, a hundred percent.

Dallas Burnett: 00:33:39

So that's, so that's very interesting.

Dallas Burnett: 00:33:41

And so I would say this, if you're leading a team, don't just assume

Dallas Burnett: 00:33:45

if someone is a certain type that you're gonna not or like them, because

Dallas Burnett: 00:33:48

there's so many facets to everybody.

Dallas Burnett: 00:33:50

they, everybody, every type has these values and superpowers

Dallas Burnett: 00:33:54

they bring to the team.

Dallas Burnett: 00:33:55

They bring as leaders, they bring as team members, and it's really about,

Dallas Burnett: 00:33:58

Figuring out who they are and where they are in all of that, that really

Dallas Burnett: 00:34:03

helps, you to be able to maximize.

Dallas Burnett: 00:34:05

If you're developing a number one and you're engaging with them, you may be

Dallas Burnett: 00:34:10

rubbing on each other a little bit, but if you can understand them and

Dallas Burnett: 00:34:13

then they can grow as a number one, that may turn into the best, that

Dallas Burnett: 00:34:17

may turn into your greatest ally and asset that you've got on your team.

Dallas Burnett: 00:34:20

And so, um, yeah, so don't mark

Danielle Burnett: 00:34:23

Yeah.

Danielle Burnett: 00:34:23

Yeah.

Danielle Burnett: 00:34:24

And I think too, Dallas, that's a great point.

Danielle Burnett: 00:34:26

Let's say, as a boss, you're leading a number one, and let's say you're

Danielle Burnett: 00:34:31

always late to the meeting, that's not gonna go well for them, right?

Danielle Burnett: 00:34:35

Because they like things to be right.

Danielle Burnett: 00:34:36

So you would never know that unless you understood what a number one is.

Danielle Burnett: 00:34:42

And so having the understanding of what's important to a

Danielle Burnett: 00:34:45

number one is gonna help you.

Danielle Burnett: 00:34:47

Lead that person, make your office environment more, pleasing

Danielle Burnett: 00:34:51

and you're just gonna get them.

Danielle Burnett: 00:34:52

And likewise, as we discuss all the different types in subsequent, episodes,

Danielle Burnett: 00:34:57

I think it's real important to just understand who these people are.

Danielle Burnett: 00:35:00

and Dallas and I, Dallas, we can attest to, we've seen this work in real time

Danielle Burnett: 00:35:04

in team situations where these teams.

Danielle Burnett: 00:35:07

They didn't really like each other, and then all of a sudden the light bulb goes

Danielle Burnett: 00:35:10

off and they're like, oh, that's why she's like that, or that's why he's like that.

Danielle Burnett: 00:35:14

And so you can just understand a little bit better.

Danielle Burnett: 00:35:16

Lastly, the only thing else I wanted to say, Dallas, is that in the

Danielle Burnett: 00:35:20

Enneagram, there's a thing called triads, because there's nine types,

Danielle Burnett: 00:35:24

there's three groups of three, and this is interesting about a number one.

Danielle Burnett: 00:35:28

So on your team, this could be helpful that the number one, the number eight,

Danielle Burnett: 00:35:34

And the number nine are all in a triad where they process decision making.

Danielle Burnett: 00:35:39

They process decisions in emotion, in a similar way that eight, nine, and one

Danielle Burnett: 00:35:43

types and what I would call that and what we call that in our report is a

Danielle Burnett: 00:35:46

gut response, like a gut type decision.

Danielle Burnett: 00:35:50

And so the strength of that is that when you have a quick decision or

Danielle Burnett: 00:35:55

even a decision that doesn't even need to be quick, they can tell you

Danielle Burnett: 00:35:59

pretty quickly I wanna go to that restaurant or this is the decision

Danielle Burnett: 00:36:03

we need to move in for our company.

Danielle Burnett: 00:36:04

Or yes, that person's gonna be a good hire.

Danielle Burnett: 00:36:07

They're just able to make a decision quickly.

Danielle Burnett: 00:36:12

And depending on the health of the person, maybe it's a good or bad decision.

Danielle Burnett: 00:36:15

But what I would just say is that the way they process information,

Danielle Burnett: 00:36:18

it's gonna be pretty quick.

Danielle Burnett: 00:36:20

and so with the other triads being some, this feeling.

Danielle Burnett: 00:36:24

In, the two, three, and four type, and then the thinking and the

Danielle Burnett: 00:36:27

five, six, and seven, and we can get into all that other stuff, but

Danielle Burnett: 00:36:30

sometimes that rubs on each other.

Danielle Burnett: 00:36:32

sometimes that quick thinker rubs on the person who really needs to mull

Danielle Burnett: 00:36:36

over the decision for like 30 minutes.

Danielle Burnett: 00:36:37

I mean, like, I'm a heart feeler person, and when a gut person makes

Danielle Burnett: 00:36:40

a quick decision, especially when it's about something important,

Danielle Burnett: 00:36:43

I'm just like, I'm just like, what?

Danielle Burnett: 00:36:46

How do they make that decision so quickly?

Danielle Burnett: 00:36:47

And it just, I just, I'm like, okay, you make that decision for you, but I've

Danielle Burnett: 00:36:51

gotta think about this a little bit more.

Danielle Burnett: 00:36:53

So anyways, just understanding that I think is real helpful to

Danielle Burnett: 00:36:57

understand that, about that type one and how they make decisions.

Dallas Burnett: 00:37:01

I feel like there's a, I think I, I wonder if there's

Dallas Burnett: 00:37:04

the reason, psychologically that they have such a strong moral

Dallas Burnett: 00:37:08

framework, such a strong moral, right?

Dallas Burnett: 00:37:10

It's almost like it just runs it through those filters really quick

Dallas Burnett: 00:37:13

and it's the answer is so apparent.

Dallas Burnett: 00:37:15

It's of course it's this, because this is right.

Dallas Burnett: 00:37:18

There's, you don't have to think about it.

Dallas Burnett: 00:37:20

You don't have to look at the numbers.

Dallas Burnett: 00:37:20

'cause this is it.

Dallas Burnett: 00:37:21

I don't know.

Dallas Burnett: 00:37:22

I don't know.

Dallas Burnett: 00:37:23

I don't know the why.

Dallas Burnett: 00:37:24

But, uh, but it is true, and that's, that's a good point.

Dallas Burnett: 00:37:26

That they are good gut decision makers and, and quick decision makers on that.

Dallas Burnett: 00:37:31

That's cool.

Dallas Burnett: 00:37:31

All right, well, hey, thanks for.

Dallas Burnett: 00:37:34

Thanks for unpacking the number one on the Enneagram.

Dallas Burnett: 00:37:37

We're just, we've decided this before the show.

Dallas Burnett: 00:37:38

We're just going to do these sporadically throughout because we've got other

Dallas Burnett: 00:37:42

guests lined up, for the fall.

Dallas Burnett: 00:37:44

But we wanted to get this out there so that we can have it on

Dallas Burnett: 00:37:47

the website as another resource.

Dallas Burnett: 00:37:49

We already got the report, out there for free, but having sometimes

Dallas Burnett: 00:37:52

people like to digest information different ways, and so we wanna

Dallas Burnett: 00:37:55

get the podcast out there as well.

Dallas Burnett: 00:37:57

And you've done several of these Enneagram workshops recently, so, it's

Dallas Burnett: 00:38:00

very good to have these out in case other people want some resources around that.

Dallas Burnett: 00:38:04

One of the cool things that we have coming up, this is the announcement

Dallas Burnett: 00:38:08

time for ThinkMoveThrive, and, some cool things that are coming, I guess

Dallas Burnett: 00:38:12

the last time you're on the show, this is a good time to talk about it.

Dallas Burnett: 00:38:14

The last time you're on the show, we made this like super big time

Dallas Burnett: 00:38:19

secret announcement of the name of the book that we have coming out and

Dallas Burnett: 00:38:24

we shared the name, it was LIFT, and then we were like, Hey, it's coming

Dallas Burnett: 00:38:28

out in January and, maybe February.

Dallas Burnett: 00:38:30

And then it was like, well, it didn't show up.

Dallas Burnett: 00:38:33

And so then we had people reaching out to us going Hey, what is the deal man?

Dallas Burnett: 00:38:37

you guys were supposed to have this book coming out and so I just wanna

Dallas Burnett: 00:38:40

take a minute to tell everybody what in the world happened, what's going on?

Dallas Burnett: 00:38:44

And the long short of it is have you ever tried to write a book?

Dallas Burnett: 00:38:48

If you try to write a book, you know, it's brutal.

Dallas Burnett: 00:38:50

It's a brutal process.

Dallas Burnett: 00:38:52

And so back when we, back when in 2018, we came up with move, people

Dallas Burnett: 00:38:56

don't realize like we, I wrote.

Dallas Burnett: 00:38:58

Move.

Dallas Burnett: 00:38:59

And I sent it to our editor at the time, and she was out in Kansas, and I

Dallas Burnett: 00:39:03

remember getting it back, the first copy and when I sent it to her, I gotta be

Dallas Burnett: 00:39:07

honest, I'd never written a book before.

Dallas Burnett: 00:39:08

I sent her the first draft.

Dallas Burnett: 00:39:10

And I was like, I'm not a writer, but this is gonna be pretty amazing.

Dallas Burnett: 00:39:13

She's probably gonna get it and be like, wow, you know, you're the best Dallas.

Dallas Burnett: 00:39:17

And,

Danielle Burnett: 00:39:18

you Dallas.

Dallas Burnett: 00:39:19

I'm so impressed with your writing.

Dallas Burnett: 00:39:21

Where did you come from?

Dallas Burnett: 00:39:22

Did you graduate from Harvard?

Dallas Burnett: 00:39:23

And that is exactly the opposite of what happened.

Dallas Burnett: 00:39:26

I got the manuscript back in and I was looking at the page and I was like, maybe

Dallas Burnett: 00:39:29

the red words are what we're supposed to keep, and the black words on the page

Dallas Burnett: 00:39:33

are what we're supposed to get rid of.

Dallas Burnett: 00:39:34

Maybe it's in reverse.

Dallas Burnett: 00:39:35

that is not what happened.

Dallas Burnett: 00:39:37

the red words, she essentially, she marked up the entire document and

Dallas Burnett: 00:39:41

but it was a great experience for me.

Dallas Burnett: 00:39:42

We went through a year of rewriting over and over and editing over and

Dallas Burnett: 00:39:46

over again after the book was written.

Dallas Burnett: 00:39:48

So it was a year to write it, another year to edit it.

Dallas Burnett: 00:39:50

And The process is crazy.

Dallas Burnett: 00:39:52

So this time we're doing it differently.

Dallas Burnett: 00:39:53

It's a different kind of book than MOVE!.

Dallas Burnett: 00:39:56

LIFT is a business fable, similar to what you actually mentioned earlier with Fish.

Dallas Burnett: 00:40:00

So it's cool that you brought that up.

Dallas Burnett: 00:40:02

And so here's why.

Dallas Burnett: 00:40:04

Here's why we're coming out with another business Fable.

Dallas Burnett: 00:40:06

This is, This is what we're trying to do.

Dallas Burnett: 00:40:08

Number one, we've been doing leadership summits for private clients for,

Dallas Burnett: 00:40:12

gosh, it's been almost 10 years now.

Dallas Burnett: 00:40:13

And so one of the things that I've realized when we do a book as a part

Dallas Burnett: 00:40:17

of the summit is that a lot of people, they, a lot of people don't read

Dallas Burnett: 00:40:21

leadership books, or they might be intimidated to oh my gosh, if I gotta

Dallas Burnett: 00:40:24

read a 300 page book, I don't care.

Dallas Burnett: 00:40:26

Just gimme the Cliff Notes version.

Dallas Burnett: 00:40:28

This is gonna, I don't have time for this.

Dallas Burnett: 00:40:30

Or it's just too much.

Dallas Burnett: 00:40:31

It's too much.

Dallas Burnett: 00:40:32

but what I have seen is that people will not be so intimidated by a business

Dallas Burnett: 00:40:37

story, a fable, and they'll get pulled into the storyline and oh, this is cool.

Dallas Burnett: 00:40:42

It's that easy read.

Dallas Burnett: 00:40:43

It's a short book, but then you have your concepts dribbled

Dallas Burnett: 00:40:46

and sprinkled all through this.

Dallas Burnett: 00:40:48

This storyline and it's just easier for people to digest.

Dallas Burnett: 00:40:51

And also they see it in context.

Dallas Burnett: 00:40:53

So they see this character or these characters and they see the

Dallas Burnett: 00:40:56

principles play out in this fable.

Dallas Burnett: 00:40:58

And so that is why we are going with a business fable this time because we

Dallas Burnett: 00:41:02

wanted to share these ideas all about culture and how to create culture.

Dallas Burnett: 00:41:07

There's levers that you can pull to move and change and grow

Dallas Burnett: 00:41:11

and strengthen your culture.

Dallas Burnett: 00:41:12

And that's what this is.

Dallas Burnett: 00:41:13

Whether it's a team or an organization, the levers are the same.

Dallas Burnett: 00:41:17

And so that is what the business fable is on.

Dallas Burnett: 00:41:20

So, lift is still coming out.

Dallas Burnett: 00:41:22

And so if any of you have been wondering where in the world is LIFT?

Dallas Burnett: 00:41:26

LIFT is actually when we got to February and we were looking at that

Dallas Burnett: 00:41:29

final manuscript, we just got to it and we said, No, it's not good enough.

Dallas Burnett: 00:41:33

It's not what we want.

Dallas Burnett: 00:41:35

And in, so we scrapped it and we kept, obviously the same core

Dallas Burnett: 00:41:39

principles are there, but the whole storyline was rewritten again.

Dallas Burnett: 00:41:43

And we've been working on that since then.

Dallas Burnett: 00:41:45

Just making it right.

Dallas Burnett: 00:41:46

'cause we don't want to come out with something fast.

Dallas Burnett: 00:41:48

We want to come out with something great.

Dallas Burnett: 00:41:50

And so we feel like we're, yeah, we feel like we're there.

Dallas Burnett: 00:41:52

You've read it, you've read LIFT and,

Danielle Burnett: 00:41:55

Yeah,

Danielle Burnett: 00:41:55

it's.

Danielle Burnett: 00:41:55

great.

Dallas Burnett: 00:41:56

Definitely better than what it was, last, December.

Dallas Burnett: 00:41:59

And so

Danielle Burnett: 00:42:00

It's a great easy read and that's what I would stress.

Danielle Burnett: 00:42:03

Fish is the same way, and there's several other, like of this type books.

Danielle Burnett: 00:42:06

They're pretty short.

Danielle Burnett: 00:42:07

They're really, like you said, digestible, easy to read, great storyline.

Danielle Burnett: 00:42:11

You just grow to love these characters.

Danielle Burnett: 00:42:13

But also what I love about a business table is that you can see yourself in

Danielle Burnett: 00:42:17

the shoes of the characters of these.

Danielle Burnett: 00:42:19

Business tables and there's several in this category.

Danielle Burnett: 00:42:22

Yours, being my favorite.

Danielle Burnett: 00:42:24

I would say

Dallas Burnett: 00:42:27

Ah, yes.

Dallas Burnett: 00:42:28

Ah, yes.

Dallas Burnett: 00:42:29

I'm still kind of sore that you won the book challenge though.

Dallas Burnett: 00:42:32

you still said Fish.

Dallas Burnett: 00:42:33

I.

Dallas Burnett: 00:42:34

I can't get.

Dallas Burnett: 00:42:34

Bob, I appreciate you coming back on that, but . Um, so yeah, so that, so

Dallas Burnett: 00:42:38

that's exactly what we're trying to do.

Dallas Burnett: 00:42:39

And so as we go now, I can say with some surety that the book manuscript has

Dallas Burnett: 00:42:45

actually moved into the copy editing.

Dallas Burnett: 00:42:47

The publisher sent it to the copy editors and the.

Dallas Burnett: 00:42:50

And the layout people and all the typeset people and all that stuff.

Dallas Burnett: 00:42:53

So now we have a hard date.

Dallas Burnett: 00:42:54

So we will be making more announcements in the next four weeks

Dallas Burnett: 00:42:59

about the release date of LIFT.

Dallas Burnett: 00:43:01

So stay tuned about lift and we'll keep you posted.

Dallas Burnett: 00:43:05

Danielle, thanks for being on the show and We'll, have you back for

Dallas Burnett: 00:43:09

some more Enneagram talks real soon.

Danielle Burnett: 00:43:11

Thanks for having me.

Danielle Burnett: 00:43:12

It was a lot of fun.